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The Battering Ram of the Spirit
Episode #813
7/03/2022
With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
With special guest: Charles Carrin, Cecile Carrin McGuire, Joan Wentzel
This is a continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #811
The power of the Spirit is a battering ram. And we can be used of Him to break controlling powers.
Charles:
Prayer is our battering ram. When we are praying for someone else to come to the knowledge of the truth and there is opposition in the way, we have the tools already at our disposal; tools to win.
Any comment, question?
Cecile:
Would it be ok to share a little bit about our testimony and mom?
Charles:
In which way. Yes, by all means.
Cecile:
You were talking about persistence and staying in prayer. My mother has been gone to be with the Lord. I guess her last twenty-five years were spent in joy and total freedom from depression. Before that she dealt with serious depression. Sometimes she would withdraw from people, from the family. She didn’t want to be in that place but everybody knew she struggled with depression. She had lots of legalism in her childhood that probably contributed to that…
Charles:
Religious legalism.
Cecile:
…and generational stuff. She had baggage at that time before dad’s experience in the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Nobody knew what to do about it. We just tried to cope and dad coped and we went along. In 1977 when dad got the baptism of the Holy Spirit… She was very open and receptive from the beginning about the scriptural context of the baptism and she was hungry for it all along but she just didn’t know how to get it on her own.
Charles:
We had no teaching.
Cecile:
One pastor who ministered to her he said it would take about four years. Well, it took eight years of intercession with dad. He was interceding all that time praying in tongues sometimes, you use to say all night long, for her. To give her credit she was doing her part. She loved Derek Prince teaching and she got in the word and she started listening to the scripture tapes, both of them did, every night all night long; they had them running. And then she would listen to Derek Prince teaching a lot during the day. She was pursuing truth and she recognized that was her hunger; it had always been to be hungry.
What I’m getting at is that after years of persistence, that battering ram of the power of the Holy Spirit broke through and 1990 was her last time of depression. She came out of it not a big bang but she just never had any more depression. She didn’t go back to it.
And when dad started traveling in 1995 and was gone a lot, she started a prayer group to support him in prayer. And even when dad traveled, she had no depression. She would be happy and call me and we would pray together. It’s a testimony to the battering ram of God’s power and how then with dad’s traveling ministry she was a support; spiritually there was that support structure there and it wasn’t like it could have been.
But it was many years of persistence. The Lord honored that and it paid off. And I will say she did her part. Until the day she died, even two weeks before she died, which was 2012, I was with her, she still had her little cassette players. She still played daddy’s tapes or Derek Prince every night and still played the scripture tapes. She never quit.
Charles:
I would wake up in the middle of the night and hear another man’s voice and it would be Derek; alright that’s ok.
Joan:
That’s the crux of it Cecile. We lose heart and we get discouraged and then we stop. I’m speaking for me. I’ll make a confession. I stop because I get so discouraged and don’t see anything. “Lord where are You? Where is this promise? I think that’s for me. Thank you for this because I get so disheartened when I don’t see anything and I say, “God, did I hear you? Did you promise, did You really promise?” But I like your mom I cook with Derek. Charles is too quiet on my computer so him I have to really pay attention. But when I’m cooking it’s loud enough and I cook with Derek and I just run through his sermons because they have really ministered to me as far as that goes. And Martha, too. We get to hear Martha very often so we’re very blessed with that. But when I’m cooking, Martha’s too soft, Charles is too soft. I need Derek’s boom.
Charles:
We need to bang on the pans.
Thank God for Derek! Oh my! I think one of the last times I was with Derek he was speaking in a presbyterian Church in our part of FL and he was tired and people were swarming around him and he whispered to me, “Charles, please rescue me from these people!”
But we’ve all been blessed by Derek. No one revolutionized my theology and ministry like he did. I was with Derek in several places. I was part of his ministry team. I don’t know what the years were but we were together in Moscow and Derek had spoken for at least two hours with a Russian interpreter. And then he stopped very abruptly and almost seemed distracted like something was in the way. But that wasn’t it. He took command over the spirit of epilepsy in the audience. He had said nothing about epilepsy the whole two hours of his message. But when he discerned the spirits of epilepsy in the congregation, there was probably a thousand Russian pastors, there were three immediate epileptic seizures in the audience when he just called it out; challenged it and three people in the auditorium pitched to the floor and went into epileptic convulsions.
Derek never left the platform he just simply said, “Now, those of you who are nearby you know what to do. You minister deliverance to them and I will carry on.” And he went back to the sentence where he had left. Mentally, he wasn’t using a manuscript but the next sentence he went back to that said it and carried on. I have no doubt those three individuals who pitched to the floor with epileptic seizures were delivered because Derek challenged their demons. Derek was the battering ram. Thank God, he knew it. He wasn’t intimidated by it when he had that discerning of spirits and knew that those 3 people in the congregation were suffering from that all he did was attack and did it.
What do you have to share about Derek?
Martha:
I will tell you what I saw about you. You were open to share everything you had…
Charles:
Say all of that again.
Martha:
You were willing to give everything you had…
Charles:
Yes.
Martha:
…to us.
Charles:
Amen.
Martha:
You were willing to take anybody on and we didn’t quite understand you a lot of the time. You were so giving. We took someone to see you, a young man, and you offered to disciple him.
Charles:
Really.
Martha:
You called him to follow you and he wanted something more than he wanted God. And it ended badly.
Charles:
Wow.
I wonder if he knew that?
Martha:
He chose no.
Charles:
If he knew that he had made the wrong choice?
Martha:
There was a whole repentance meeting for him.
Charles:
Wow.
Martha:
We confronted and we repented with him to try to break down the barriers but he had made a choice and the choice was no.
Joan:
You were willing to disciple him and Charles was, also. And he said no to both of you.
Martha:
Literally.
Joan:
Literally.
Martha:
And I knew the day he did it that he would die because such a man full of God experienced, willing to give everything…
Joan:
Full of love.
Martha:
…full of love to say no to this would be bad shall we say and it was bad. I don’t know why I’m bringing that forth. It’s so dangerous to not say yes when you hear a word and a call.
Charles:
Oh, yes.
Martha:
He has called us to intercession. What else has he called is to? The word.
John:
Love.
Martha:
Love, love all. Love. He has made His choice and he’s available to Christ for anybody and any problem.
We’ve just met with a family who have a child with epilepsy. We had dinner with them: father and mother and the boy. The boy was about twenty-five years old but he moved like a 2-year-old.
Charles:
Describe it for us.
Martha:
He sat in a both. John was on my left and he was on my right and had little puppets. At one point I said, “I love you” and he whispered something to his mother. I don’t know what it was. But he was happy with me after that. He understood that it was love. I felt such compassion for that family because he would have these strange, ungodly sounds. I made a commitment to them. I said, “The rest of your life, the rest of my life I will be praying for you and the boy.”
Charles:
Amen.
Martha:
I don’t remember where we went from there but I made a commitment to pray with that battering ram and I will never see them again on this earth. They were from another state.
That’s when God calls. You are helping me be faithful to what I committed to God to do the rest of my life; to pray for them to have the grace to live with such a situation; looking for somewhere for him to live.
The Battering Ram of the Spirit – Episode #813 – Shulamite Podcast
Prayer is our battering ram. The battering ram is the power of the Holy Spirit which brakes through strongholds and opposition.
