Double Edged Sword
15 September 2013
With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special guest: Jacquelyn Nawrocki
(M) I’m thinking of the Lord’s, the sword, which is double-edged. The surgeon’s knife is to kill the disease, and save life. So the, the Word of the Lord has two edges. One edge is that it kills within you is not in harmony with Him. The other one is that it releases life by removing that disease. Uhm, I was reading Spurgeon’s book on the Blood, and he described sin as a disease; and ah, and if that is so, and it is, then we need the Word no matter, no matter how piercing. And it, it, I think what we have come to, it’s taken us a long time to do so, but we, we focus on the Lord, and what the Lord focus’s on is what we’re focused on. Not perfectly, but amazingly. I used to pray, I prayed for years that we would have one mind, and I see it happening; it’s not that difficult. The one mind is Christ’s mind, and if He happens to be on one member of the Body, usually at least two are seeing that same thing. And ah, but I had someone tell me how difficult their childhood was, and how the father was so severe and corrective and it was like he kept a record of every wrong. And there was never any release from that, that sin that the child committed, and the father would bring that up and use it against the child. And so every, every correction was piled on top of a mountain of other corrections until it was unbearable. And her discovery of the Body of Christ was that, that there was no mountain, it was all gone. After we deal with the issue, it’s gone. In fact the Lord forgets; He will remember our sins no more. There are things I’ve been through with people in this group that I don’t remember; they’ll say yes, but remember when I did so and so, and I’ll say I don’t remember. It’s gone. And, and love comes back fully fresh without any recrimination, without even any memory, and, and I thought that was a wonderful contrast. She explained to me the contrast between her parental experience, and her experience of God’s love in Himself and in, in the Body of Christ, that there was no accumulation of, of offenses until it was just a burden you couldn’t even bear. Every confrontation of the Spirit with the motivation of love, Gunter, comes as a cleansing, not an accusation. It comes as a liberation with… And it’s like I think it’s 2 Cor. 3 where the veil is lift, where you turn to the Lord in repentance, the veil is lifted and you’re transformed, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But some people come, some people will not tolerate, and I have one woman confess to me that any correction she received, she would get murderous with rage. She’d hide it, but she was murderous with rage at being confronted. And there was one person that God gave me an enormous anointing for, he was a really a son in the Lord, and I spent hours and hours and hours with him. And one day I gave him a small correction, very small, very gently done, and he turned on me like a wolf, and became even a vicious, malicious liar, and eventually came back and asked for forgiveness, but there’s no reconciliation because the Spirit hasn’t given it. But it was so foolish, and he said to me, I know I’ve burned my bridges; and he had. Some of it was not fixable, and the reconciliation, the Lord did not grant him a reconciliation. So it’s a…
(Jacquelyn) When you correct out of legalism I’ll say, as your story relates, the person that’s correcting does not have to lay down their life. And I have seen this Body lay down their life to correct me. To stop their life, to stop their, I don’t know if you can say to stop their ongoing process with the Lord, I’ve seen you all stop to deal with me and to correct me. And I can’t tell you, I don’t even have words to express my gratitude to you all and to God for that, for being willing to do that. And I’ve seen how it wrecks you Martha to correct somebody. I’ve seen visible what it takes out of you to correct.
(M) Before we started taping we went over this one verse, and Jennifer and John both thought of it. Hebrews 13:17, I’m going to read it in the Amplified. “Obey your spiritual leaders and submit to them continually recognizing their authority over you, for they are constantly”, there’s that word, “constantly keeping watch over your souls and guarding your spiritual welfare as men who will have to render an account of their trust.” To God. “Do your part to let them do this with gladness and not with sighing and groaning, for that would not be profitable for you either.” See it’s, I remember Scott Peck is the only person I’ve ever heard say this. I think it was in one of his books, that love is to love a person’s destiny and spiritual well being. And he says if you do not love a person enough to care for that, you do not love them at all. That is the definition of love, to care for another person’s spiritual well being and health. That’s what that says in the Amplified. And Paul says I travail in birth till Christ be formed in you. And travail is so more suffering than groaning. And it’s, and that word constantly strikes me because there are, there are times when you’re constantly brooding before the Lord over an individual. This whole thing is about individual maturity, fullness I’ll say. Being free and full in the Lord, and becoming who you’re supposed to be; becoming who you are in Christ. And I think that’s in our group we have come to the where we want you to be who you are. And I’ve often said to people I’m fighting you for you; because you are not you. You’re being your old you, and I know a better you, so I’m coming after the old you so that you can be you. And it’s, that is the, the, that is the Lord’s evaluation too; He cares for the individual. He cares enough to ask you to lay down your life, that’s really what it is, you lay down your life. And then the sheep are your loves.
(J) We’re so blind. Uhmm. You know the Lord has to come and show us and to ah, reveal our hearts to us, because we’re so blind. And we may feel there’s something amiss, but have no idea what it is. Or maybe know what it is, but have no idea how to get out of it. And so uhm, I, I know that the fruit of, of the correction that you’ve brought and this Body’s brought, has been uhmm, so good. It’s good fruit, it’s, it’s wonderful fruit because I may, I may have a place that I utterly cannot see how to get out of, or don’t even see that I’m in it.