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Absolute Miraculous Healing
17 November 2013
With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special guest: Jennifer Wentzel
(M) I sometimes, when I know the stories of people, I marvel that God trusts some people with horrific suffering. And He trusts Himself to be able to bring them to the place of what you described Jennifer is really absolute healing, and absolute reconciliation to a miraculous degree, the healing of life. He says I’ll wound you, and I will heal you. I think that’s in Lamentations. He, He does, He wounds us, but He also heals us. And if we don’t come past the wound to the healing, we still have an offense with God. But He trusts Himself with some horrific stories that He is able to bring that person to the place of healing. And if they will hear Him and accept it, they can be healed. So the hearing of Him in these situations that you’re, you’re telling about Jennifer, going back and not just ‘talking it through’, quote unquote, but experiencing the pain, the shame, the horror, the whatever, and letting God come in and ah, redeem it. His redemption, it says He saves us to the uttermost. The uttermost place of our, our soul and heart, the uttermost experience of life, He saves us, redeems us to that degree. And that’s important to know.
(J) I think that we’re all, ah, given something to help others. You said that you’ve been given a blessing, I think that we all, if we will accept our bruising and our, our, our breaking, if we will accept it and see it as redeemed through God’s sovereignty, and see His purposes, ah, in, in providing for us the ability to be broken free from the shell of sin and flesh. And if we will allow our pride to be shattered, then what will happen is we will become a vessel to help usher others into the breaking, into the freedom, and a healing, absolutely.
(Jennifer) And I’m seeing two things, the incredible authority that comes on the other side of any of our dealings, uhm, with Him when that correction comes through and He gives us a choice and we say yes to that correction, and the Holy Spirit comes in and conquers on our behalf and overcomes, delivers us from that, and then grants an authority in that particular area in our life, that He’s won over. I, I see that as such an amazing tool for deliverance going forward for powerful intercession on behalf of someone else. It is never done just to be done for me; it is never intended to be just mine. Uhm, and often the Lord gives an insight into somebody else’s life, and this is one of the things that Martha said when I had an enormous correction of, ah, my critical spirit, uhm, and it has just impacted me so enormously, that the Lord doesn’t show us a person, doesn’t give us an insight into a person and where they’re trapped, and you know… You can meet some really seriously, not just messed up people, but enormously annoying and obnoxious and offensive and horrible, just horrible creatures, and those are the ones that call for all the rejection, they demand it from you and you know, Martha saying that, saying ok if you see this in someone, you know, the Lord is never just showing you something just to show you so that what, you can, you can diagnose them and say, oh yes, you are a prideful, vain, ah, peacock of a human being and you, ah, bring death and destruction and pain to everyone you hang around with, you know. No, if you’re seeing something, then, then, you know, it’s for the purpose of, of getting with the Lord and saying… Yes, it’s a responsibility to pray for that person’s soul. And I realize that a lot of times what the Lord is showing me about different people, those are places where He has conquered, to whatever degree, in my life. And so instead of looking at that person and just pointing it out and saying, ‘oouuuu’, you know, uhm, there is a responsibility for me to, to pray for their soul in the same way that however many other people prayed for mine, brought me through. And I have an authority in wherever He’s conquered in me, to remit that same sin, along with that person, and say, done, yes, I know this sin well, this sin and I, we used to walk hand in hand, and we’re done now; I remit this sin before You God, and I give it to You, I confess it, and I say free, free this person from it as You freed me. And I have authority in the Name of Jesus for whatever He’s conquered in me, ah, to appeal to the heaven’s with that authority and say hold the reigns on this person that, that they can see and be delivered as well. And that is such a, that has so changed the scope of everything for me, including ah, chastening and correction, and, and the role that we play in it. And, and really the work that goes before hand in getting quiet before God. And, and I think about it now in the times that He’s given me a word, and I wasn’t just crying, it wasn’t just fear and trembling; it was crying out to Him, a prayer for that person, that they would be freed from what it was. And I’m thinking specifically of the first time that that happened for me. I was brought to a place where I was weeping because I knew that the harsh spirit that had come out of this person onto other people, that was what needed to be corrected, was nothing compared to what this person had leveled against themselves; the damage that they were doing to themselves first that gave them license to turn around and do it to other people; because that’s what we do. We think it stays contained, and it doesn’t; the more we beat ourselves up, the more we establish a permission to send it outward on other people. And when I saw that, when I saw that I was just seeing the tip of the iceberg in this, and it was nothing compared to just the, the inner anguish and pain, it was heart breaking. It was absolutely heartbreaking. And I think that when we get to that level where it’s completely seeing that other person’s destiny, as Martha said, ah, about what Scott Peck, seeing their destiny and wanting their spiritual health, wanting their wholeness. I think that cuts through, I really do. I think that the very heavens open up and are willing to move on the choice of that person.
(M) This passage came to mind, Jennifer. The Lord used to tell me that what I went through was always for others, and what He taught me was not for me, but for others. And I had an objection to it that was ‘everything for everybody else’. And He said, “Are you not getting rich yourself as you supply others?” And I went yes Sir, ‘ouu, oouu’, and as it goes through. But anyway, this is the scripture, terribly poignant. “For the soil which has drunk the rain that repeatedly falls upon it and produces vegetation useful to those for whose benefit it was cultivated.” The rain falls on me, produces vegetation, but it is not cultivated, He does not cultivate me for me. That is the issue of Christianity that takes you out of your self-centeredness, so that your life is poured out, and you get richer all the time. I’m going to read it again, “For the soil which has drunk the rain that repeatedly falls upon it,” receiving the rain, “and produces vegetation useful to those for whose benefit it was cultivated, partakes of a blessing from God.” (Heb.6: 7-8) So everything that I have experienced and gone through, I’ve been amazed over the years how He brings people to me that have the same specific situation many times, and can relate. That I was cultivated, even in my childhood I was plowed and prepared to receive the rain of His word, water is the scripture and the Spirit together, so that it would be food, fruit for those, for whom it was intended all along. And I said to some people in very deep, sort of, I’ll say council for lack of a better word, I would say, God created my situation to help you, so I can tell you how to deal with it. Alright, “But if that same soil that receives the rain, produces not vegetation but thorns and thistles, it is considered worthless, and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.” That means that everybody receives the rain, but if in bitterness I produce thorns and thistles, then I’m worthless to every other human being, in fact I’m a pain, I’m a thorn to others. And I’m a useless taker up of space and air and time and land, and I’m close to being burned. That God intends us, this is part of Body life, the life of Christ enables us to live literally for Him, for the sake of others, and not for ourselves. And in the end we get more riches than anybody, because we are pouring out whatever He asks us to, not giving for the sake of giving, but giving for the sake of obedience to what He gives you to. Then you are blessed. And if you don’t produce that vegetation which is fruit He intends us to produce for others, we are cursed and close to being burned. And look at Revelation; you’ll see what that means. So it’s quite a responsibility see, as you brought up Jennifer. And this can’t be said without that responsibility. We, this is the consequence of refusing to be plowed and to produce riches, life, to receive His Life and His Word and His Spirit, so that it’s for others. And we are liberated then from the terrible narcissism that takes us to hell, literally, takes us to hell. There are those who pass through, and they want it all for themselves. They want the knowledge, the blessing, the riches, everything for self, and they perish, and are close to being burned. And end up it says there, near to being cursed, whose end ultimately to be burned. The fear of God is growing in me, I’m sorry, it’s just getting bigger and bigger as I realize Who He is, and what His Word says if we took it to mean it. It’s… He, He rains on us His blessings and life so that we can be vessels of life to others. And we are, that we are responsible for, and the way we do that, the cultivation is the discipline and chastening of the Lord. Do you think it’s… The, the plowing really kills the soil; it has to rebuild itself from being plowed. That’s why we’ve learned not to plow it every year, to death, because it destroys the microorganisms, it destroys the worms, it destroys the life of the soil. Sometimes that, you turn the soil to make it cultivate more life, that’s true; you turn the soil and get the nutrients into it, and… But, ah, cultivation is the blade cutting into the life, and ah, so we are cultivated to bear fruit for others. And not willing to do that, it corresponds to John 15, if you will not be attached to the Vine, you will be cut off and burned; it’s real, (her voice shiver’s out a ‘ouuu’), sorry.
Thank you so very much for sharing your hearts so freely and openly! What a blessing! Martha, could you tell me what scripture verses you were referring to in this podcast. I can never remember hearing them! Lord…..what else have I missed?
I don’t find it in Lamentations but Hosea 6:1 says: “Come, let us return to the LORD. For He has torn us, but He will heal us; He has wounded us, but He will bandage us.” And Deuteronomy 32:39 also states a similar message, “See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.”
The other one I believe is Hebrews 7:25: “Therefore He is able also to save to the uttermost (completely, perfectly, finally, and for all time and eternity) those who come to God through Him, since He is always living to make petition to God and intercede with Him and intervene for them.”
Thank you John! Keep up the great work! I know you all just make God SMILE!! Blessings dear friends!
oh my …. once again I have been ambushed by this teaching …
thank you …
I simply cannot move until I have plumbed the depths of how this applies to the soil of me ..
those who water will themselves be refreshed .. and I pray your refreshing this day is magnificent ..