Indwelling Life Lived Out
22 March 2014
With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special guests: Jennifer Wentzel and Carole Nelson
(J) Christ in you the hope of glory, the exchanged life, very few teach about the actual exchanged life, where Christ is your life, and so I’m standing still for a book. I want a book about that subject; I’m begging for it.
(Jennifer) And there are even fewer that talk about the exchanged life and bring in the love affair, the relationship, with it. And what the exchanged life… Martha you are constantly talking about seeing Him as He is, in you, knowing that it’s not you, and that is yet another and perhaps the most intimate way you could know someone is to see them perform the tasks that have been assigned to you in your life, you know, with Him. And it’s, it’s not just about He is the power that, that you know, touch all my life and does my life, no, it’s this amazing relationship. And the adventure is getting to meet Him in me. And you know I, I’ve read some amazing, I mean Major Ian Thomas, is an amazing book, The Indwelling Life Of Christ, it’s absolutely wonderful. But even he doesn’t capture that it is the quintessential love affair that you’re witnessing; that this is the love affair, that this is you. It doesn’t get anymore up close and personal than experiencing in every possible way, in every, with every sense, with every everything, a full Body experience of the life of Christ in you, which is a completely unique and individual; and that’s just it, it’s utterly unique to me how I meet Him in me. And you are, you so bring that to life and you, you have introduced me to that in a way that I, I’ve never met anywhere else. And it, I can’t tell you what it does to, to impart to me that, uhm, that He is mine as I am His. It is; it is the love affair, that’s what I see.
(Carole) I just feel like the reality of the message is, it is the love affair with Christ, it is Him living His Life, but the price to have that manifested only comes one way, and that’s through the cross. And it’s very simple; it’s not necessarily easy, but the cross is the price to enjoying and living the life of, letting Him live His Life really.
(M) Ok. To prove that it is not me, I had no idea all that you’ve said. I don’t really even remember all those messages. But that’s the proof of the very thing, that He did it, His book and He gave it, He revealed it, and I’m astonished that if I could’ve, if I could’ve written out what I want to say, without having known I did say it, it would be what you said Jennifer; to go higher and higher in letting Him be known as within. And ah, He said to me once many years ago and I didn’t realize how eternal what He said was, I said, I want to be really close to You, intimate, He said, “You can’t be more intimate than for two people to occupy one body.” And that is the intimacy, He knows me from within, and I know Him from within. And ah, thank you, I never dreamed that that’s what He has accomplished, and it’s beyond me, more than I can say it’s beyond me. And I’m amazed at Him, that He was able to, do what He promised. What He called me to, He promised to perform. And you’ve just shown me that He’s done it.
(J) Jennifer has the unique ability to, as a third party, to be able to view in, where when you and I are traveling, I’m in it, you’re in it, we’re not really seeing it. We’re experiencing it, but we’re not seeing it. And then when I come back and I’m having to, you know, edit the messages, there’s a process when you’re editing a message, you’re having to focus so much on intricate little details that have nothing to do with the message. Clearing your throat, double wording, stuttering, ‘uhm’s’, it’s stuff like that (John laughs.) When you’re removing all these little nuances out of it to make it smooth and still keep it natural, it’s difficult to keep the heart in it, you know. When you’re having to ‘nit-pick’ something, and dot every ‘i’ and cross every ‘t’, when you’re doing that it’s difficult to be able to really hear the heart. Not that I don’t have, I have to hear it several times in doing it. And I’m being impacted by it, especially when it’s initially given. But Jennifer basically you have the opportunity to get the cleaned up, polished file, and you don’t have to experience all the nuances of, of the people that were there during the time, or this or that. You basically are put into a little bubble and a shell where you can enjoy it and drink it, just as it is. And so the reason why I asked you to do this is because you have the unique ability to be able to have a, a clear perspective, because you’re looking at it at a different vantage point than I or Martha or anyone that was at the conference. So I’m really grateful for that, and I’m really grateful that you shared about these messages. We don’t often do this. And maybe we should, maybe we should tell about them. Because sometimes you know they come and go, and nobody says ‘boo’ about em, you know what I mean?
(Jennifer) Well I really felt like we had to talk about these, because right now, I’ll be honest, the Holy Spirit in Martha is just kind of a roaring spigot, and ah, and He doesn’t show any signs of stopping. And so if you’re not in the loop, you know, you’re gonna you know, wake up two years from now and say, oh there were eight new booklets and ten new series, and it’s not out of the loop at all. I mean I look at what He’s pouring out, even with things getting busier on every level for the ministry, it is phenomenal to me what He is pouring through and the sheer output. And I don’t want anybody to miss it. And these three especially, you know, they were very small conferences in terms of size. They were located in different places, I mean literally it was a zigzag all over the country. And I, you know, I, I was getting impatient for John to do the editing of these series, because I wasn’t there. You know, I didn’t go to these conferences. And I wanted them. And you know, life gets busy and people are listening to podcasts and following along with the devotionals, and these are all fantastic ways, and doing CD of the Month, and, and staying on top of it. And so like for me, I can’t say that I go to Shulamite.com or LivingChristianBooks.com every week to look specifically for new things by Martha. And so you know, we talked about the Kingdom booklets, “Kingdom Safety” and “Kingdom Children”, and uhm, I don’t want these to be lost. You know “Kingdom Safety” and “Kingdom Children” also came out in 2013; like I said, spigot, flowing. Ah it’s moving really fast and I don’t want anyone to lose out on what He’s, He’s pouring, because it is phenomenal.
(J) Well I appreciate you valuing it, and I appreciate you hungering for it, and for Him to reveal Himself, and thanks for being someone sharing on the sides. Because you know, actually going and doing it and preparing for it and traveling with it and doing all that stuff, you know sometimes its, it’s work, you know. But, but I just really appreciate you, you know.“Go Billy, go!”
(Jennifer) Well I also talk to people, so I know I’m not alone; because there were other people that were waiting for this, and they let me know. And so this is just a ‘shout out’ to the broader group who I may not have talked to on the phone, and who may in fact want to know about that. There’s just no way to go wrong with any of these, so, ‘feast away’.
(M) Whenever I get, ah, discouraged or disheartened, one of the main things I do is look at the people that God has given to help me. That I would never have had anything, I would still be just speaking in a home, and now and then. And I know that it’s not a support of Martha, it’s a support of what He’s poured into me to give to His sheep. And uhm, someone a long time ago gave me this scripture that I quoted recently. Hebrews 6:7 “For ground that drinks the rain that often falls upon it”, and rain, rain speaks of in Isaiah the Word, and the Word is water and rain, and so it means to people who hear and let it, let it be that that refreshing Word. “For ground that drinks the rain that often falls on it and brings forth vegetation, useful for to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God.” And He gave me that through a friend years and years ago. Because He said to me, “I’m not telling you these things for you, do not think that this revelation or this insight is for you. You are simple the channel through which I want to send it to My people.” And so you in this room, that, and those who fasted and prayed for me in the last months, you are being plowed an tilled, you are being sown with the rain, and all that’s going to come forth from this is my joy that not only do you get it, but you will get the entire reward of the fruit for Christ. It will be given as much to you as to me, equally. And that is my joy, that you who, this is scripture I think in one of David’s psalms, ‘those who sit at home with the baggage will share in the spoil’. And it’s my joy to think of, that you in the background, you in the, I’ll call it the ‘grunt work’ that John has described, just this tedious monitoring of ah, and ah, editing of the writing from Jennifer, never had such an editor as Jennifer. I’ve always prayed for an editor like Jennifer. And John does the editing of the audio. All of those things in the background that go on are the same, we are one in this message, we’re one in this work, that you hear it, that you value it, that you interpret it to me in a way that I don’t even see. I’m merely giving what I’m given. It has no, for me, ah, clarity as to an overall picture. I don’t know what it seems like, I don’t know how it appears to you, I don’t know what it does to you; all I know is what He gives me to give, and I’m not aware of the wonder of it, or the depth of it necessarily; sometimes I am. But it’s, it’s not about me, but it is what God has poured into me that God the Father values of His Son in us… But when I get, when I feel like I’m not accomplishing everything that I know is in me; I’ve got much, much to write, I look at you all, you people, and I understand that God values what He has put among us, what you’ve allowed me to sow into your life for years. It just tells me how much our testimony means to the Father, and then I have tremendous encouragement and excitement, and really had a, how to describe it, a crushing wonder and amazement at what God has done with us. And we will not know in this life how far it goes or what it does or what we are being formed into. We have no, no real idea. And so when you tell me these things Jennifer and John, and Carole, I’m like, oh my goodness, that is too wonderful, can it be, can it really be that, yeah, that’s what He can do.