Shulamite Podcast mp3 https://shulamitepodcast.com The Shulamite Podcast is a weekly conversation on discovering God & encouraging believers into deeper relationship with the Lord by Shulamite Ministries. Sat, 25 Jan 2020 13:35:55 +0000 en hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3.2 The Shulamite Podcast .mp3 is weekly conversations encouraging believers into deeper relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. We explore the practical side of discipleship and discover God together in Body life. Shulamite Ministries clean Shulamite Ministries john@shulamitepodcast.com john@shulamitepodcast.com (Shulamite Ministries) © Shulamite Ministries Come experience anointed audio messages - not giving just another method, but a living impartation. Shulamite Podcast mp3 http://shulamitepodcast.com/wp-content/themes/Shulacast/images/Shulamite-Podcast-mp3.jpg https://shulamitepodcast.com TV-G Weekly The People Who Would Go to Hell – Episode #686 https://shulamitepodcast.com/go-to-hell/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=go-to-hell Sat, 25 Jan 2020 10:00:06 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=5290 https://shulamitepodcast.com/go-to-hell/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/go-to-hell/feed/ 1 <p>The People Who Would Go to Hell Episode #686 01/26/2020 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow This the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #685 There are people in your life who will go to hell without your prayers. Do you see past the pain they inflict to the eternal torment that awaits them? […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/go-to-hell/">The People Who Would Go to Hell – Episode #686</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> The People Who Would Go to Hell
Episode #686
01/26/2020

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow

This the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #685
There are people in your life who will go to hell without your prayers. Do you see past the pain they inflict to the eternal torment that awaits them?

Martha:
You know, I’ve told these stories in part, in different places, but there were two people in my life, very cruel, and they were there for a lot of years. And after a long time of thinking of my hurts, I suddenly realized that this one was going to hell. There’s no way that she could not go to hell. And I prayed so hard for her not to go to hell. “God, please come in so that she doesn’t go to hell. I don’t care what she’s done to me; wipe it out, forget it. I don’t care. Nothing she’s done to me is, would, would I want her to go to hell.”

So and in her last days, I walked in her room, and she threw open her arms and said, “Martha, I’ve been waiting for you. I’ve made a mess of my life.” And I, I, I was quite stunned right there to know what to do. And the Lord led me how to help her. I, I told her, “Put all your sin on the cross of Jesus Christ.” And the next day I went in and she said, “I did what you told me to do and I’m so much better.” And I think she didn’t go to hell. And it was true of another person.

And if we could understand… And this picture of hell tells you it’s real. And if you want to see how real it is, for me, it changed my life, for this testimony. Because she described in detail how horrible it was. And, and I challenge the listeners to go and hear it because it changed me about prayer. The one crisis is not what is done to me or you or anything. The crisis of any person who is not born again or who has sin… And I said to someone recently, “I’m glad, I hope you don’t die today because you’d go to hell.” And they knew, they knew it was true.

John:
Well, watching the, the testimony it’s not, don’t, don’t go to it thinking Hollywood. It’s not, it’s not done in Hollywood standards. It’s…

Martha:
It’s a human.

John:
It’s very human and it’s a, it’s a testimony and they give some visuals and, you know, they’re a little more, I don’t want to say hokey with it; but it is a little, you know. But it’s, it’s the reality of what she’s talking about. You go into it listening for a, a testimony not a, a wow, sensational presentation. And then you’ll be fine.

Martha:
There’s another one that you haven’t watched and that I watched several months ago. It’s a man named Bill Wiese. W I E S E. And the title is Man Who Went to Hell. And this man is a Biblical scholar and he died and went to hell. He described… He would describe something about it such as the odor was absolutely horrible and then he would relate it to a word of scripture.

John:
Yeah, he backed everything up with Scripture.

Martha:
Did you see it?

John:
No, I didn’t see it but you told me all about it.

Martha:
Okay. He, he… Everything he experienced he got in scripture to prove that God’s fair with us. He tells us. And I’m going through as I’m reading and I’m seeing something like I, I read, “the smell of Sulphur…”

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
…and I wrote ‘hell’ in my Bible…

John:
Right.

Martha:
… because that’s part of it. He said there was no air and you were always gasping for air. You couldn’t catch your breath because there was no air. And then there was no… There was the fires. And I read the other day, “The worm that does not stop.

John:
It’s just continually, yeah, yeah.

Martha:
Yeah.

John:
Yeah.

Martha:
And we, we, we want to avoid that. We have a nice little God and we don’t understand that He has, as you say, the right to wrath. But Bill Weise is so Biblical. It… That’s, that’s the one, that’s the most credible. And, of course, he became a pastor or was a pastor. And…

John:
My first introduction to, to any of this was in the nineties from Mary Kay Baxter. And I listened to her testimony and, you know, she’s, she was a country woman. And she’s very country and her accent is so thick and that you could discount her. And I thought, “Oh, God, how interesting that You would use someone that the world would call foolish.” You know, I mean the accent, the Southern accent drops our IQ, for whatever reason. It just, immediately we think that, you know, somebody’s less intelligent because they…

Martha:
Right.

John:
…have a Southern accent. So, but I heard it and I, I listened to her testimony and I read part of her book but I,— The testimony was more impactful, and she literally talked about the, the, the rooms she, that Jesus walked her though. And there was, you know, people were begging Jesus to, to get out of prison. He was down there with her. And she said, “Why don’t you let… They’re begging you. Why don’t you let…” and He, He basically showed her what the truth – they were begging, but the true intent of the heart is the second you walk past them, they start spitting and cursing Him. So you realize, “Okay, yeah. That we’re, we’re not talking about poor, poor pathetic people. We’re talking about evil people.”

Martha:
Evil people, yeah.

I, I looked at one more tonight and this one is really interesting. It’s called From Hell to Heaven, One Man’s Journey to Life-Changing Faith. And it was a young man. And he, he’s… The reason I wanted to include that is because he spoke of our beliefs. He said, “I believed that if I did the best I could, I would just go to heaven.” And, and…

John:
Well, that’s what we’re taught from the pulpit.

Martha:
…that’s what we’re… Um hmm.

John:
I mean the pulpit that’s, you know… Most churches teach that.

Martha:
If they teach it at all.

John:
Right.

Martha:
If you’re born again, you’re safe. You’re… And I, I can’t… I just know that the… I told the story in my book on forgiveness of the young man who almost lost his mind and he had been turned over to the tormentors because he would not forgive his father. And when he forgave, he was healed. That story to me represents… God, God lets us. He goes after us, and these three people that I’m telling you about all came out of hell. They, they cried out for Jesus, “Get me out of here. I can’t live this forever. I cannot do it.” And He, He brought them out.

John:
But they each talk about it being an eternity. That it just felt like it was going on…

Martha:
Right.

John:
…and on…

Martha:
I think…

John:
…and on.

Martha:
…Bill Weise was there twenty-three minutes in hell.

John:
But it felt like forever.

Martha:
I’m sure. Now Mary Kay Baxter is in YouTube. I didn’t go to her but she is there and she’s been sharing that testimony for a lot of years and it’s something we avoid if we can.

John:
Sure.

Martha:
And we can’t.

John:
Right.

Martha:
That’s the point that I want to make today…

John:
Right.

Martha:
… is that we can’t avoid it. It is reality and, and Bill Weise said, “God didn’t make hell for Believers. God made hell for Satan and his demons.” But if we go on that side of, of the spiritual realm, we are in that, we are in that realm by choice.

John:
The thing that’s frightening is, you know, because I can justify and rationalize and say, “Well, I’m not that bad.”

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
But if I look at it towards forgiveness…

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
… and anyone I don’t forgive, and then I look into my life and I say, “Who have I not forgiven”? You know, I can pull someone, you know, out of a hat, you know what, pull the rabbit out of your hat, I can pull someone that, that my forgiveness is not…

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
…complete, total. And we all have people that are offending us regularly…

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
…and it’s not just passing it off or just sluffing it off or…

Martha:
Or saying, “Is that… Okay, it’s okay.

John:
…it’s ok or whatever.

Martha:
That’s not forgiveness.

John:
It’s actual, deal-with forgiveness.

Martha:
Yeah. I’ve had a recent experience of that very, very painful situation and I’ve had to work so hard to forgive, to release, to bless. But I got, when I worked it through, I was free. And now I have the heart for that person, to pray they won’t go to hell. The whole… The, the experience I had many years ago and all of these current things… And several people have told me, “Martha, I was hung over hell for a year.” And it’s such… To see this is to produce the fear of the Lord in us. And we can deal with that and then we know that that’s the real crisis.

The People Who Would Go to Hell – Episode #686 – Shulamite Podcast

There are people in your life who will go to hell without your prayers. Can you see past the pain they inflict on you to the eternal torment that awaits them? The testimonies of people who have seen hell will impart the fear of God to those with ears to hear.

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There are people in your life who will go to hell without your prayers. Do you see past the pain they inflict to the eternal torment that awaits them? There are people in your life who will go to hell without your prayers. Can you see past the pain they inflict on you to the eternal torment that awaits them? The testimonies of people who have seen hell will impart the fear of God to those with ears to hear. Shulamite Ministries clean 10:47
Fear the Lord and Forgive, for Hell Is REAL – Episode #685 https://shulamitepodcast.com/fear-the-lord-forgive-hell-is-real/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=fear-the-lord-forgive-hell-is-real Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:00:20 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=5284 https://shulamitepodcast.com/fear-the-lord-forgive-hell-is-real/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/fear-the-lord-forgive-hell-is-real/feed/ 1 <p>Fear the Lord and Forgive, for Hell Is REAL Episode #685 01/19/2020 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow To fear the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and we cannot do without it. Wisdom knows that hell is real, and our forgiveness hinges on whether we forgive. Martha: This might be the strangest podcast we’ve ever […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/fear-the-lord-forgive-hell-is-real/">Fear the Lord and Forgive, for Hell Is REAL – Episode #685</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> Fear the Lord and Forgive, for Hell Is REAL
Episode #685
01/19/2020

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
To fear the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and we cannot do without it. Wisdom knows that hell is real, and our forgiveness hinges on whether we forgive.

Martha:
This might be the strangest podcast we’ve ever done. I have 205 Message of the Month plus dozens of messages on CDs and…

John:
It’s well over 30. There’s… You have at least… It’s well over 30 CD series and then you have 21 or 22, maybe even more, booklets. And then you have four books and then you have the podcast. And we’ve been doing it for, I believe we’re in the twelfth year. I think, we’re either eleven or twelve years.

Martha:
But this is a subject that I have never spoken on anywhere, never taught. And so we’re, we’re going for a ride here.

John:
Ok, here we go.

Martha:
Here we go.

There’s something missing from Christianity today, a big problem of something missing. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard this sermon by Jonathan Edwards, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God. What we don’t have now is the fear of God. We have focused on grace to, to the point that it’s obliterated the fear of God.

And I sent my sons out into the world, when they went to college and so forth, with this verse: “Humility and the fear of the Lord are riches, honor, and life.”

The fear of the Lord in, especially in Proverbs and in Psalms as well, the benefits of the fear of the Lord would make you want it. And Psalm 34 tells you how, exactly how: “Come, if you want to know the fear of the Lord, I will show you how.” And many people I have prayed “God show them hell. Hang them over hell!”

John:
Well, you had that prayer for me and I…

Martha:
Did I really?

John:
Yeah, you did. And I was going through a real tough time and I think that’s what you prayed is, and He did. And I had an infusion of the fear of the Lord.

Martha:
Wow.

John:
It was, it was, I mean it was the scariest thing. I know Jennifer’s had the same experience. And it, it freaked me out. I mean it freaked me out because you realize at that point, when you are in the crux of the fear of God, you know that none of your manipulations, none of your words, none of your cajoling or…

Martha:
Bargaining.

John:
…bargaining. Nothing matters.

Martha:
Nothing moves God.

John:
Nothing moves God and you realize that bar the grace and the mercy of God… See, it’s interesting that we’ve gone so far into grace that we don’t have the fear of God, because when you have the fear of God, then you realize that only the grace and mercy…

Martha:
Oh, brilliant.

John:
…of God saves you…

Martha:
Yes.

John:
…brings you through…

Martha:
Uh huh.

John:
…brings you to a different place. And so I, you know, I, I, I literally was begging God but realized that my words and my emotions and my…

Martha:
Cries and need.

John:
…cries and need and my personal relationship with Him from that point had no sway on Him.

Martha:
And, you know, John, I had that experience, too. I wasn’t in trouble. I was spirit-filled. I wasn’t in a bad place. And suddenly I felt that I was being hung over hell and I, I really understood that… I never knew why He let me have that except to know that the experience is so valid. I knew that if He let go of me I would drop into hell, and there was nothing I could do about it.

John:
That is precisely it.

Martha:
And it is a life-changing experience.

So, okay, I want to start… The… We don’t hear the word of God in terms of the fear of God. We, we skim over it. One of the most important scriptures of the New Testament is Romans, first chapter, 18-21. It says: “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.”

“The wrath of God is revealed.” We don’t, we don’t get it, that His wrath has come to us and it’s to save us. You’re not healthy unless you have a good healthy, reverential fear of God. He is God!

John:
I think that the reason why He gave you that experience is because you would, on the other side of having that experience, you have such respect and appreciation for the fear of God. Unless you, unless you experience the fear of God… I can say I have fear of God all day long, but usually what our fear of God is, is our, our concept that He’s like our earthly parent or earthly…

Martha:
True.

John:
…you know, authority.

Martha:
We project another face.

John:
It’s another person’s face.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
But this, this had nothing to do with anyone. There was no one else in the room but He and I. And I think that He, He gave you that experience because you have been able to pray that for a number of people…

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
…and it is, it is born so much fruit.

Martha:
It has born fruit.

John:
So I think that it was, it was a, a well planted investment into your life, because then you literally became a source that you could pray and because you knew the validity of it…

Martha:
Yeah.

John:
…and you knew the value of it.

Martha:
Yes. You’re putting it so well, John. It’s right.

John:
So I, I, it… That, that to me was, was absolutely phenomenal and, and Jennifer would, has had a testimony that she experienced it. That she just came face to face with it.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
And I’m, I… There’s several people.

Martha:
Several people, yeah. I’ve had, I’ve had people come back and tell me.

John:
And you, you, you know when you experience it, you know that it is utter grace that you would have it…

Martha:
Yes.

John:
…because you can go, we could go our entire life, have no fear of God and walk straight into hell.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
But God, you know, in His mercy and His grace, kind of does a, “Boo!” And then you’re like, you know, I mean literally I, I had a, a quaking in my body for months after that.

Martha:
Really?

John:
Oh, it, it… Yeah, yeah.

Martha:
I did, too. I was in shock…

John:
Totally.

Martha:
…for days. All I could think about was that experience and that I had no power to save myself.

John:
None.

Martha:
If He let go of me, that was it.

John:
That was the experience I had. It’s exactly— And, and, you know, I knew that, very briefly, that you had told me that in passing. It wasn’t like you went into it but when I experienced it and I told you about it, then you told me more about your experience. And I said, “That’s exactly it.” And I… And that is exactly, precisely it. You realize that, that He could literally and has the right…

Martha:
Yes.

John:
Not only has the right…

Martha:
And the power.

John:
…and the power, the right and you deserve it, that He just drops you straight into hell.

Martha:
Yeah.

John:
So.

Martha:
Well, I’ve said a lot at times about the fear of God and the benefits to us personally about it, but I ran across in the, in the YouTube channel the testimony of a woman who went to hell. And I was quite impacted by it. Her name was Laurie Ditto and she gave a testimony on the, on the show of Sid Roth. But it’s on the YouTube channel and her title is I Found Myself in Hell: The Reason Why Will Surprise You. And I just, I just watched it and I thought, “All of us need to hear this.” We need desperately to know what hell is – real – and what it is like.

John:
Well, you called a meeting and you said, “We all need to watch this.” And we all… I remember, we all did, we all watched it.

Martha:
We went to one house and we sat and watched it. And it was very sobering and what she realized, and relates kind of to my book on forgiveness for me, she said she, she cried out to Jesus. She said, “I can’t bear to stay here. This is, this is terrible.” And she cried out to Him and she— But she realized why she was there – because she was a born-again Christian. And she said, “I didn’t know born-again Christians could go to hell.” But she had not forgiven. And so she was not forgiven. And that answered a question for me.

This, this woman was a credible witness. She was not a flake. And I wondered, when the Lord showed me that if you don’t forgive, you are not forgiven. If you don’t forgive one, one situation and one person, your entire package of sin is back on you. It’s very clear in the scriptures, absolutely clear. And this… She said, “I, I had been forgiven so much from God but I would not forgive.” And it’s…

John:
And it wasn’t multiples. Wasn’t it one particular person?

Martha:
She seemed, she seemed it was singular. She had not forgiven but she didn’t say what.

John:
Right. Well, a lot of us could say, “Oh, well, I forgive, I forgive, I forgive.” But it’s, it’s wiping the slate clean.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
It’s going the distance with forgiveness. It’s dealing with every situation with forgiveness. You have to face all of it. Where the Spirit, I mean the Spirit has to bring you through it.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
But, but you have to, you have to forgive everything. And what, you know, you’re saying is and what she said is that not forgiving one person can, can put you in hell. And I mean, really that’s it.

Martha:
Well, she described and it’s, it’s pretty awful. So I, I wanted us to watch that. I want us to have – corporately – the fear of God.

Fear the Lord and Forgive, for Hell Is REAL – Episode #685 – Shulamite Podcast

If you do not fear God, then have you ever met Him? To fear the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and we cannot do without it. Wisdom knows that hell is real, and that God’s forgiveness of our sins hinges on whether we forgive what is done to us.

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To fear the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and we cannot do without it. Wisdom knows that hell is real, and our forgiveness hinges on whether we forgive. If you do not fear God, then have you ever met Him? To fear the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and we cannot do without it. Wisdom knows that hell is real, and that God's forgiveness of our sins hinges on whether we forgive what is done to us. Shulamite Ministries clean 12:03
The Heart Test in Waiting for God – Episode #684 https://shulamitepodcast.com/heart-test-waiting-for-god/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=heart-test-waiting-for-god Sat, 11 Jan 2020 10:00:31 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=5273 https://shulamitepodcast.com/heart-test-waiting-for-god/#respond https://shulamitepodcast.com/heart-test-waiting-for-god/feed/ 0 <p>The Heart Test in Waiting for God Episode #684 01/12/2020 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow This the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #682 Waiting on God covers more spiritual ground than we know. And within the layers of communion and spiritual growth and Christian discipline is a heart test. Martha: I’m thinking […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/heart-test-waiting-for-god/">The Heart Test in Waiting for God – Episode #684</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> The Heart Test in Waiting for God
Episode #684
01/12/2020

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow

This the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #682
Waiting on God covers more spiritual ground than we know. And within the layers of communion and spiritual growth and Christian discipline is a heart test.

Martha:
I’m thinking of the, the test I had about hearing God when I was first really young Believer. And I would, I was called to speak and so I would say, “God said this to me and God said that to me.” I thought that was normal Christianity, because I read He spoke and I expected Him to. And someone came to me from Dr. Stanley’s church, and this story has been told before, and she said, “Martha, you make people so uncomfortable saying that. There’re people… Dr., Dr. Stanley would never say that, that he’d heard God’s voice.”

And I went, I went to the Lord and I said, “Oh, I’m so sorry that I did that and, and I told it publicly. I’m so sorry.” And I heard Him say, “It’s taken Me a long time to get you to hear My voice.” And He sent me to the scriptures and I saw God spoke to the serpent, He spoke to the fallen man, He spoke to the murderer, He spoke to everybody. So He’ll speak to me, too. Okay! Later Dr. Stanley wrote a book about hearing God!

John:
Which is amazing!

I had a roommate that used to… I used to say, “Well, God said…” You know, “God said.” And he, he would get so mad at me for saying that. And I, I was like, “What is wrong?” He says, “How can you say God said to you?” I’m like, “Because He did. What do you want me to lie, that He didn’t? I, I’m not getting this stuff. This isn’t coming from me. I heard this. This is why I have this.” And so he, he would get real frustrated with me about saying that and I, you know, I pray that now he, he hears God. I guess the reason why he was mad is because he wasn’t hearing God.

Martha:
I think… Um hmm.

John:
If we submit our self and we surrender our self to hear, He will speak.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
If you seek, if you, you, you ask, you will find.

Martha:
Um hmm. And I tell people a lot, if you want God’s will, He has to reveal it to you. If you want to hear God, He has to, He has to speak. If you, if you really want to hear Him and you don’t care what it is that you hear, even if it’s a correction, then you will hear. Through that episode I learned not to expect Him to speak a certain way but to expect Him to speak. I, I went knowing I was meeting a conversational God and that He’s involved in a conversation with us.

John:
Did you ever struggle with the, the rejection feeling or, or Him not speaking and then you felt bad? Or is that something…

Martha:
Yeah, there have been times when He, He didn’t answer quickly that I would, I would feel, “Are You there?”

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
“Are You hearing?” And that’s in the Psalm.

John:
Right.

Martha:
David said that many times. “Are You… You’ve got to listen to me now!” (Laughs)

John:
Right! (Laughs) “Please!”

Martha:
That’s not a direct quote. But it, it was certainly the intent that he had many times in writing. His Psalms were simply writing to God.

John:
Right.

Martha:
And having a conversation with God.

John:
Right. And God did speak. God did answer.

Martha:
Oh, He did every time. And most of his Psalms at the end will say, “And this is what You did.”

John:
Right, exactly. But you know something? Looking at it from paper, you know, it looks, you know, pretty immediate.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
We don’t know how…

Martha:
We don’t know.

John:
…long it took.

Martha:
Absolutely.

John:
It could have been years. It could have been weeks, days. You know, whatever!

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
I think you just go to Him with your heart and you know that He values it and He, He wants to speak.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
And when He does speak, then it’s beautiful. But the investment, oh, my goodness, it’s, it’s huge for me to know that that’s what it is. It’s an investment for dividends, spiritual dividends that will be paid, you know?

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
You know, the faith of, of speaking in tongues. There’s another thing. You think, “Oh, my gosh, I just, you know, did for an hour. I prayed and, and what happened?” You know? There was another investment. I’m investing that. You may not have an immediate interpretation of what was spoken or, you know, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll even pray when I’m writing; I’ll pray in the Spirit and I’ll, I’ll ask God, you know, for a word and He’ll give it to me, which is cool. But I, you, know, it may take 20 minutes that I’m just sitting there waiting for that word, praying in the Spirit.

Martha:
And especially in the Old Testament, it says God tests you to find what is in your heart. And my, part of that test is waiting, waiting to hear Him. “Will you wait until I speak? Will you wait a long time for Me to give you direction?” Yes! But He has the right to test our heart. But it’s not to, to, He, for Him to find out what’s in our heart.

John:
It’s that we get…

Martha:
It’s, WE need that! (Laughs.)

John:
…it revealed to us. Yeah, that’s right.

Martha:
He already knows what is in our heart.

John:
Right.

Martha:
So sometimes the waiting is a test of that.

Let’s pray that God would use our experience and our testimony of Christ and His faithfulness and the validity of waiting. Let’s ask the Lord to, to inspire many to be willing to wait.

John:
I can agree with that totally.

Martha:
I would love for the Lord to have that. So we do pray that.

Father, will you send this word out to wherever You want to send it and let it bring back fruit to You in the form of listeners who will wait for You. And it’s for Jesus name. Amen.

John:
It’s lovers who will listen. I love it!

Martha:
I do, too!

John:
That’s what it is, you know? If I’m investing in a relationship with someone, sometimes I’m just going and being with them.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
There’s not anything being done.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
I’m just being with them. I’m investing that time with them. And that’s huge and, and valuable. So I’m doing it with, in love. I’m not spiritually investing for a spiritual dividend without love.

Martha:
Well, John you’ve, you’re given the source of it. What makes you have the patience and endurance?

John:
Love.

Martha:
It’s love.

John:
Absolutely.

Martha:
You’re going in your love relationship to meet.

John:
Absolutely.

Martha:
And it doesn’t matter what it costs you.

John:
Uh uh.

Martha:
Oh, thank you. That’s it! That’s the meaning of the whole thing.

John:
How perfect.

Martha:
You’re going to meet your Beloved.

John:
That’s right. If it’s not a love source then…

Martha:
It won’t happen really.

John:
Well, you’re just listening for information? Yuck! Go, you know, get a dictionary or… Whatever.

Martha:
Oh, John, you’ve just given me incentive, the reason. You’ve given the whole thing. It’s, it’s about love. And you’ve just made me cry! (Laughing and crying at the same time.)

The Heart Test in Waiting for God – Episode #684 – Shulamite Podcast

Waiting on God covers more spiritual ground than we know. And within the layers of relationship and spiritual growth and Christian discipline is a heart test. God has the right to test your heart, and He does so in unexpected ways and for surprising reasons.

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Waiting on God covers more spiritual ground than we know. And within the layers of communion and spiritual growth and Christian discipline is a heart test. Waiting on God covers more spiritual ground than we know. And within the layers of relationship and spiritual growth and Christian discipline is a heart test. God has the right to test your heart, and He does so in unexpected ways and for surprising reasons. Shulamite Ministries clean 8:29
The Investment of Waiting and Listening – Episode #683 https://shulamitepodcast.com/investment-waiting-listening/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=investment-waiting-listening Sat, 04 Jan 2020 10:00:06 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=5270 https://shulamitepodcast.com/investment-waiting-listening/#respond https://shulamitepodcast.com/investment-waiting-listening/feed/ 0 <p>The Investment of Waiting and Listening Episode #683 01/05/2020 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow This the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #682 Time spent waiting on God, listening for His voice and His will and His heart, is never wasted. In fact, that time is an investment that WILL pay off! Martha: […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/investment-waiting-listening/">The Investment of Waiting and Listening – Episode #683</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> The Investment of Waiting and Listening
Episode #683
01/05/2020

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow

This the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #682
Time spent waiting on God, listening for His voice and His will and His heart, is never wasted. In fact, that time is an investment that WILL pay off!

Martha:
And, and as you say, you listen in the morning. You go to walk and the answer comes down the road.

John:
Yeah! So like this, this is for instance: the other day I was praying for you and we sat there and we were listening and I sat there for a couple hours. And at end of the waiting and, and listening, I left the time with no evidence of anything. I, I…you know. But I, I knew, “Okay, I’ve invested that time; it is gonna pay back.” And I, I know that He is gonna speak. He, He’s gonna speak when He wants to speak.

Martha:
Is that when you called me the next morning and told me what you’d heard about my grandmother?

John:
That’s the second time this happened. The… When… The thing about your grandma, that’s when I knew. That’s when I got this revelation that I needed to bring it to the podcast about listening and that it’s an investment.

But, no, this, this other one… It was that other one and I’ve, I’ve been trying to figure out what that was and, and we need to look back on your notes because there was something really, really powerful that came out of it. But there was couple hours when we waited, and then the next day it came and [snaps his fingers] like that and I was like, “Oh!” And I told you and it was, it was big. I, I wish we could remember right now what it was.

So the Lord, you know, in that moment He didn’t speak anything. But the, the next day, you know, when I was walking I had that flash and I heard His voice. And I’ve, what I find it that He speaks to me a lot while I’m in the way.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
I may invest the time now but I may be in the grocery store, I may be at the gym, I may be walking, I may be doing something else and that’s when He speaks. He chooses when to speak. That’s just the long and short of it. He’s gonna choose when He wants to speak.

Martha:
And there’s a certain readiness where we have to be. Sometimes it’s sitting and waiting and He speaks then. Other times you can only hear it when you’re on the move. Your experience shows that.

John:
Well, you have to, I mean… Who…What prophet was it? Was it Elijah, that he was in the way, he was, he was with the ox and he was, he was working? He was doing his life. He was living and then that’s when the Spirit came.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
But I know that he would have had many, many times of investing in prayer. It’s not like he just had it, you know, shockingly pop up. It was… He had invested time, invested time and then when he was in the field with the ox, that’s when it came and he said, “Oh!” And there, it was the answer for his life and his calling.

Martha:
And Elijah was sent by the Lord up on the mount, I don’t know if it was Horeb, but to hear Him. And then came a, a storm. He wasn’t in the storm. Then can an earthquake, and He wasn’t in the earthquake. Is that correct?

John:
Yeah, yeah, yeah!

Martha:
Then it was in the still small voice…

John:
Right.

Martha:
…that he heard.

John:
I think that’s the, I think that’s the story. I may be getting the two, Elisha and Elijah, you know, blended there. But regardless I know that one of them was in the field with the ox.

Martha:
It, it was…

John:
With a team of ox and, and, and he, he left that field knowing the will of God.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
And he was called while…

Martha:
While in the work.

John:
…he was in the way. In the— Yeah.

Martha:
And that was significant. I’ve read, I think it’s Sparks, about it that he was about his life…

John:
Hmm.

Martha:
…and he was willing to work and so that was part of the criterion of being called.

John:
Well. I don’t, I don’t go when I go, I don’t expect Him not to speak.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
I just don’t demand that He does.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
Because I have gone and listened and I hear immediately. This particular revelation, I lost it. I told you, I lost it. And then I was praying and then the next morning He woke me up at 4:30 and it was just, bam, right there. And I wrote it down immediately and then, you know, now we’re able to talk about it because… But it was gone. I had lost this whole thing. And I think it’s so key that to know that you’re investing.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
I mean it’s, it’s huge.

Martha:
It’s, it’s different than simply waiting. You’re investing is a different way to view it. You will, of course… Your… It’s faith that you will get a return however it comes.

John:
Right.

Martha:
So I think it’s brilliant.

John:
So I’m real excited about this. This, this for me this is pretty amazing and this is… You know, sometimes when you, you function in life and you don’t know how you function until He shows you how you function and then you go, “Oh my gosh, You’ve established that in my life. You put that in my life. This is part of Your investment in me that, that You’re reaping the harvest from.”

And so I’m, I’m excited. And, and so, you know, if there’s anybody out there that has issues with listening, that has a difficulty in waiting and in… You know, I’m telling you back in the nineties I was, I would wait and wait and I literally would leave frustrated and sometimes in tears, because I’m going, “Why won’t You come and talk to me?” But now I realize, “Oh, okay, that was the whole wrong point.” I was showing Him who I value. And then He spoke to me showing me He values me.

Martha:
I’m on the word ‘endurance’. It’s such an important word, isn’t it? And Jesus speaking that word is huge. “If you endure with Me, you will reign with Me.”

John:
Huge.

Martha:
And so, listening is another…

John:
It’s okay.

Martha:
…aspect of endurance.

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
Can you endure the waiting? Can you endure the patience?

John:
Well, doesn’t that whole train of thought – the patience, the endurance, and the waiting – it all produces faith, right?

Martha:
Um hmm. Yes.

John:
And that’s what pleases…

Martha:
And surrender. Faith and surrender.

John:
And that’s what pleases Him.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
So our yielded heart and our surrender and, and our faith that He will supply, that He will be the answer, that He, He is interested. I don’t have to fight with that and wrestle with that, that He’s not interested, that I’m bothering Him or whatever. He is interested. He wants to be more a part of my life than I even want Him to be a part of it.

Martha:
Yes.

John:
So, you know, I’m not, I’m not twisting His arm behind His back to say, “Okay, talk to me, tell me!”

Martha:
“And operate on my time schedule!”

John:
Exactly!

Martha:
Now it’s… I love your word investment.

John:
Well, I think that it, it calls to the, the whole heart of the children that have been raised with absent fathers. You’ve got… I mean you have a whole generation…

Martha:
A generation.

John:
…right now that has absent fathers. Not only in the black culture but in everything. The latchkey kids, that’s all, that’s all me. And now I don’t even know how they are, the next generation. But I do know that when that’s your pattern, that you are raised with…

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
…then you come away and you say, “Well, God’s gonna probably be exactly the same way.” And you expect Him to be that way. And that was probably my issue, you know?

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
I, I felt abandonment and rejection rather than… And He was just like, you know, “I’m, I’m… Those emotions aren’t gonna sway Me or manipulate Me. Wait!” And then He speaks. It’s beautiful!

The Investment of Waiting and Listening – Episode #683 – Shulamite Podcast

Time spent waiting on God, listening for His voice and His will and His heart, is never wasted. In fact, that time is an investment that will always pay off. God will answer our prayers and He will tell us His will. When we wait, He pours out beyond even that!

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Time spent waiting on God, listening for His voice and His will and His heart, is never wasted. In fact, that time is an investment that WILL pay off! Time spent waiting on God, listening for His voice and His will and His heart, is never wasted. In fact, that time is an investment that will always pay off. God will answer our prayers and He will tell us His will. When we wait, He pours out beyond even that! Shulamite Ministries clean 9:10
Take the Time to Hear God – Episode #682 https://shulamitepodcast.com/take-time-to-hear-god/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=take-time-to-hear-god Sat, 28 Dec 2019 10:00:05 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=5261 https://shulamitepodcast.com/take-time-to-hear-god/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/take-time-to-hear-god/feed/ 4 <p>Take the Time to Hear God Episode #682 12/29/2019 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow The whole problem with Israel was one thing: They didn’t hear God. And hearing God means taking the time to listen for His voice. Is that something you do? John: So the other day I was walking and after we had […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/take-time-to-hear-god/">Take the Time to Hear God – Episode #682</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> Take the Time to Hear God
Episode #682
12/29/2019

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
The whole problem with Israel was one thing: They didn’t hear God. And hearing God means taking the time to listen for His voice. Is that something you do?

John:
So the other day I was walking and after we had done the interview with John about listening and waiting. And I had a thought about an aspect that is true and prevalent and a reality of it. And this is one of those lessons I’ve learned bumping my head because, you know, I, I came, I would come away and I’d almost have a sense of rejection if God didn’t speak when I went to meet with Him. It felt, it felt like He wasn’t available. And it just, you know, kind of, I don’t know, made me feel rejected. Does that make sense?

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
So, so I basically learned that listening is an investment; that I can’t go expecting immediacy of an answer. I’m not going with a demand that He answer me now. Sometimes there’s points that I get where I, I have to have an answer. I’m like, “Okay, this is something I have to do now and I have to hear now.” And I, I do.

But when I’m basically seeking Him, when I’m looking to Him, when I’m looking to increase my knowledge and love of Him, that’s something that you’re going and you’re investing. And what I’ve, I’ve experienced and what I’ve learned is that that’s like paying it forward; that you’re banking it forward on a spiritual investment. And that will pay dividends; I mean it, it will pay.

Martha:
I’m thinking of Daniel, how he waited two weeks in, in a crisis and it seemed like probably God wasn’t, wasn’t listening but all the time there was a war going on in behalf of his request.

John:
Yeah, he had no idea the, behind the scenes…

Martha:
Right.

John:
…so to speak. Yeah.

Martha:
What his prayer began was a war in the heavens.

John:
Wow, that’s amazing.

So what, what I’ve come to learn is that even if I don’t hear His voice immediately, that He will eventually speak. And it’s an investment in my time, it’s an investment with, with Him. I’m basically investing my time. I’m investing… I’m showing Him, “I prefer You in this. I want You in this. I, I’m, I know You’re the source. I know You have answers. I’m investing.” It’s really an investment. It’s investing into the life with Him, the life for Him, and…

Martha:
You know, John, when I wrote Adoration I talked about time and I said that, if, “Tell me what you do with you time and I’ll tell you what’s first in your life.” To invest time in God is, oh, the payoff is so amazing. Time is our crisis…

John:
Right.

Martha:
…in these days of…

John:
Right.

Martha:
…life. And time is what we don’t ever have enough of so we think. So, to give Him a block of time for nothing, for no reason except to be there, will get an enormous blessing from Him.

John:
It does and it seems like it’s fruitless at the time. It feels like, “Okay, well I just, literally I wasted, you know, two hours just sitting here and I heard nothing, I haven’t read anything, I don’t know anything more.” But what will come is the answer, later.

Martha:
Really, John, as I’m brooding on this this morning, I see that the number one relationship in our life is God. And it will not be a number one relationship unless we invest in waiting, listening to Him. It’s all about that relationship. That’s your, your great lesson.

John:
All about relationship.

Martha:
It’s all about relationship.

John:
Yep, absolutely.

Martha:
So waiting is the method of the relationship.

John:
Hmm.

Martha:
It’s the central, for me, the central method of living in relationship. When I, when I read that book by Murray that I spoke about a few days, a few weeks ago…

John:
The Waiting on God book?

Martha:
Yeah. I was astounded at the scripture about it. I had never put it all together. But I realized that I live waiting. And it’s, to hear God’s voice has to be the first priority. Well, it’s… Jesus said, “Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.” In other words, life comes from His voice and it’s worth investing, as you say, in time with Him to, to get that voice, because it’s life.

John:
Um hum.

Martha:
It’s nourishment. It’s increase.

John:
And it may not be seen in the moment.

Martha:
Right. And it’s the test.

John:
It is the test.

Martha:
Waiting is the test.

John:
You know I’m going listening to hear. It is His to speak and He will speak. He is gonna speak. But it may not be in the moment.

Martha:
That’s good to know because I believe that waiting is actually surrender of your will to His will.

John:
And it’s faith.

Martha:
Yeah, that’s right.

John:
So He’s…

Martha:
Yeah.

John:
If you are going investing, you’re expecting a return on your investment. And if you’re doing that, you’re doing that in faith. And faith is the only thing that pleases Him. So you’re bringing, bringing God pleasure when you go and you wait because you are preferring Him and you are investing in Him.

Martha:
Wow. And it’s, it’s the practice, “Be still and know that I’m God.” It’s the practice of quiet because you have no agenda, no expectation, no imagination, no soulish, you know, interference.

John:
But it will try every bit of your soulishness.

Martha:
Yes, it will.

John:
It will literally try you because, you know, you will have the buzz of the fly or the, the creak of the door that bother you.

Martha:
Right, yeah. Yeah.

John:
You will have, you know, you have to choose to settle and you have to choose to, to stop and that has taken me a long time to develop. It’s not something that you just go and you’re immediately there. It, it took years for me to, to learn how to go and listen and, and…

Martha:
And be still.

John:
…and be still.

Martha:
Because you can do that now.

John:
Now I can. I couldn’t before.

Martha:
Yeah.

John:
Not, not easily.

Martha:
So it’s no logic and I…

The… Surrender to me is the word underneath waiting. And I think sometimes we have to be more surrendered so that we can hear the, the thing that God is saying that’s so profound. So sometimes it’s needed to wait and surrender so that you can actually come to the place of being able to comprehend what He’s saying.

It’s never fruitless. That’s what you’re really saying. It’s never fruitless. I’ve waited months for sometimes for some answers. And it’s, and, not unusual to wait a year for a word about something that is, that I want to solve or help. So, it’s, it’s… I, I just… You’re making me see it, too, it’s absolutely necessary to go through this.

John:
It’s vital.

Martha:
It is.

John:
It is.

Martha:
It’s really life or death if you get down, right down to it.

John:
Absolutely.

Martha:
If you can’t hear God…

The whole problem with Israel was one thing: They didn’t hear God. And if you don’t hear Him, you can’t obey Him. If you don’t hear Him, you won’t know Him. And they would not listen. Many times, He said, “You do not listen, then you do not obey.” So you have to listen before you can obey. And, and as you say, you listen. In the morning, you go to walk and the answer comes down the road.

Take the Time to Hear God – Episode #682 – Shulamite Podcast

The whole problem with Israel was one thing: They didn’t hear God. And hearing God means taking the time to listen for His voice. John and Martha talk about how vital it is to invest your time in waiting on God to speak. Is that something you do?

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The whole problem with Israel was one thing: They didn’t hear God. And hearing God means taking the time to listen for His voice. Is that something you do? The whole problem with Israel was one thing: They didn’t hear God. And hearing God means taking the time to listen for His voice. John and Martha talk about how vital it is to invest your time in waiting on God to speak. Is that something you do? Shulamite Ministries clean 9:46
The Bride of Christ is a Servant – Episode #681 https://shulamitepodcast.com/bride-of-christ-servant/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=bride-of-christ-servant Sat, 21 Dec 2019 10:00:10 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=5258 https://shulamitepodcast.com/bride-of-christ-servant/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/bride-of-christ-servant/feed/ 6 <p>The Bride of Christ is a Servant Episode #681 12/22/2019 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #678. When we wait on the Lord to speak, we are approaching Him as His servant. And that is the position of the Bride of Christ. That is […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/bride-of-christ-servant/">The Bride of Christ is a Servant – Episode #681</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> The Bride of Christ is a Servant
Episode #681
12/22/2019

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow

This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #678.
When we wait on the Lord to speak, we are approaching Him as His servant. And that is the position of the Bride of Christ. That is bridal preparation!

Martha:
I feel led to describe the suffering I went through this week, about four days. Suddenly I felt absolutely terrified to write this book. And I felt like a failure. I felt like I was not capable. And I… Finally, I understood it was an assault from the devil accusing you day and night. And… But I spent hours overcoming it because it was so kind of vicious, and hours declaring His victory, and then a lot of time restoring myself to the right place, if that makes any sense. But Christ is victor and this… I want to go into this next writing thing with the warfare already accomplished.

John:
Yeah, absolutely.

Martha:
And that’s one reason why it happened to me. I underestimate, always…

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
…the hatred of Satan for the things we’re doing, John. We are this little group in the mountains, we’re not, not famous, not big. But…

John:
But the con, the concepts and the, and the, the, the topics that we’re hitting are some of the, the highest.

Martha:
Yes!

John:
The Exchanged Life

Martha:
Yes.

John:
is, is, is it! It is the Gospel.

Martha:
And Christianity doesn’t know it!

John:
And…

Martha:
My heart is for that one because most Christianity doesn’t know it. I read something from someone that I really follow and love the other day and I went, “You don’t know!”

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
“You’re not even talking about Christ in me, the hope of glory.”

John:
Right.

Martha:
So, you don’t know it.

John:
So, there’s that. There’s the, the, the Bride, which we are, we are all being prepared as a bride and if… You know, I mean obviously there’s people that have taken it off into, to, to, you know, weirdness and stuff like that. But the, the… I want to know about the Bride. I want to know about the Lamb! That’s His nature,

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
you know. And Sovereignty, there’s another one!

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
Who’s, who’s, who’s talking about sovereignty? Sovereignty is how we really stomach everything that’s going on this world.

Martha:
Uh hmm. Yeah and how we can bear it.

John:
How we can bear it.

Martha:
And yet on the other hand, those who don’t want that subject…

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
…and are so confused by it. It’s a, it’s a topic that you sort of have to understand by faith.

John:
I say that this book tackles the very, the very difficult truth that… This book tackles the very difficult truth that the greatest and most lasting revelations of God come out of the hardest crises of man. It is called The Sovereign Touch and it reveals why we can and should trust God with these crises and hardships. I… You know, there’s… It, it is just going to get more difficult. The times are, are gonna be more trying and more trying…

Martha:
Right.

John:
and more trying.

Martha:
And more crisis.

John:
And more crisis. And…

Martha:
Perilous times…

John:
Absolutely.

Martha:
…great suffering.

John:
That, that even, even, you know, He says in Revelation, if it was possible even the very elect would be deceived. So, I mean, that’s pretty big.

Martha:
That is. And there’s reports from my book on forgiveness (Altogether Forgiven) that are real encouraging and what it’s doing to transform lives and so… And I’ve heard from people, two people in distant places in the last month that so encourage me that they’re, they are reading and hearing and knowing and with us.

John:
Right.

Martha:
And we don’t even know.

John:
Right, exactly.

Martha:
We don’t know how many and who. And… So, John, do you have anything more to teach us about listening?

John:
Well, I mean I would just attest to the fact that it is a hugely valuable and honored position to go waiting and listening rather than to, to go thinking and doing.

Martha:
You know what I see in that, John, is your one… I’ll give this secret of the Bride. The secret of who qualifies for the Bride is going to be a humble servant. The Lord is looking for a humble servant to take to His heavenly kingdom. And what you’re doing is going as a servant waiting for the orders, waiting for the word of your Master. You’re going as a bond slave, John, utterly owned, utterly surrendered. And it’s a state that you’ve developed through practical life. You’ve talked about it recently. And it’s serving the sheep and serving the, these people up here as the shepherd. And…

John:
Right.

Martha:
…many others as a shepherd. But you have the posture, the mentality, the habit, the engrained perspective of being a servant. So, you’re going to the Lord as a, as His servant. You’re not going to get something so you can have something. You are going absolutely abject posture before Him…

John:
Hmm.

Martha:
…as His, as His servant, the slave of His mind and His will. And so that’s why you’re getting such riches.

John:
Well, one of the first messages that I heard from you was about “Christ the Head.” And it, that message is, it comes out of The Spirit and the Wind messages and that message resonated so strongly with me because I realized, yes, Christ does have to be Head of His church for it actually to function as church. And so I’m bowing. When I’m going, I’m bowing and listening for the Head.

Martha:
Right.

John:
I’m looking for the Head. See, there’s that was an initial impartation that you gave me that the, the Spirit brooded over and worked into my life because I needed it. I needed the, the stillness. I think that that’s one of the things that, that prevented me from, from being a listener is that I wasn’t still. My mind wasn’t still. I wasn’t still. I was vibrating inside. And the Spirit has just done a work to, to bring a stillness and a, and a quiet. I can sit and I’m not, you know…

Martha:
Jittery…

John:
Jittery.

Martha:
…and jumping and…

John:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean before I could say, “Ok, I’m going to sit and listen” but I, I was vibrating. Now I can sit and listen and wait. “If You speak…

Martha:
It’s evident.

John:
…it’s great.

Martha:
It’s evident. Uh huh. You can, you can be in utter silence and you are not present.

John:
No, I’m waiting and, and…

Martha:
You’re empty. You’re willing to be empty.

John:
Completely! And, and that is a, that is a huge part of it and, and, I, I, would basically, I would recommend it because it’s a treasure trove of spiritual life and, and Him. It, it’s just… That’s where you can access it.

Martha:
“Be still and know that I am God.”

John:
Absolutely.

Martha:
And someone taught me recently it says, “And I will be exalted above the heavens and I will be exalted in the earth.” And when… This, this man said, “When you are still and let God be God, then He rises…

John:
Right, exactly.

Martha:
…and He is elevated,” and that’s what happens. He’s elevated for you and He, He, He reigns and…

John:
I think He’s willing to allow us to flounder and, and, and flop about and, you know, until we, we wear our self out so that He can do that rising.

Martha:
Uh huh. So the reason I wanted to ask you this is because you, you show, you demonstrate it to me how you’re getting this writing. And I hope it’s how I do, too. I don’t know that I do it as well as you do. But it’s obvious that you have come to, the Holy spirit has gotten you to the place to be still so that He can be this vast God of the heavens and of the earth, too, over you and over your writing. It’s very exciting.

John:
It came with a price but it, it’s worth it all day long.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
It wasn’t, it wasn’t all glory and bubbles.

Martha:
And it didn’t happen overnight either. It happened over years.

John:
Yeah. It’s, it’s been…

Martha:
Years!

John:
…a process of twenty-five years at least…

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
…directly this part of my life.

Martha:
Well, I thank you for being open and sharing and…

John:
Thank you for being willing to look and, and see what I was doing because I mean, you know, I, I particularly wouldn’t have said, “Oh, this is what I’m doing.” It was because you pointed it out that I knew what I was doing. And, and for you to see it and then value it, says a whole lot about you.

Martha:
Hmm. Well, I feel like you’re teaching me as an example and it’s…

John:
Well, you imparted it. You gave me the impartation of, of it and then now it’s being displayed back for you so you can actually see it in a, in a life outside of your own.

Martha:
But you came under that mantle.

John:
Yeah.

Martha:
And you received me…

John:
Right.

Martha:
…and served and served me so very much, more than I can even talk about. So I hope it blesses people there who want to express their faith and just hear Him and write down what you hear.

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
Sometimes, I’ve with several people, I’ll say, “Wait, stop! I’m gonna write down what you’re saying, it’s so wonderful.”

John:
Exactly. You do that a lot.

Martha:
Yeah, we do. So we just bless everybody who’s willing to listen to us from the North Georgia Mountains (laughs).

The Bride of Christ is a Servant – Episode #681 – Shulamite Podcast

When we wait on the Lord to speak, we are approaching Him as His servant. And that is the position of the Bride of Christ. That is bridal preparation! It’s not all about what we need and want. We begin to ask, “What are You on today, Lord?”

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When we wait on the Lord to speak, we are approaching Him as His servant. And that is the position of the Bride of Christ. That is bridal preparation! When we wait on the Lord to speak, we are approaching Him as His servant. And that is the position of the Bride of Christ. That is bridal preparation! It's not all about what we need and want. We begin to ask, "What are You on today, Lord?" Shulamite Ministries clean 12:05
To Write for God Takes Time – Episode #680 https://shulamitepodcast.com/write-for-god-takes-time/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=write-for-god-takes-time Sat, 14 Dec 2019 10:00:59 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=5254 https://shulamitepodcast.com/write-for-god-takes-time/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/write-for-god-takes-time/feed/ 4 <p>To Write for God Takes Time Episode #680 12/15/2019 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #678. Whether God calls you to write, or speak, or serve in any way, you need time to wait on Him. And you may need time away from the […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/write-for-god-takes-time/">To Write for God Takes Time – Episode #680</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> To Write for God Takes Time
Episode #680
12/15/2019

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow

This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #678.
Whether God calls you to write, or speak, or serve in any way, you need time to wait on Him. And you may need time away from the bustle of everyday life.

Martha:
Well, I had, perhaps, a bit of an unusual beginning because I began with an experience of God’s love that came through great repentance. And so I love experiencing Him. I really want everybody to truly experience Him and be face to face with Him, so to speak.

But I’ve been through long periods where without experiences. And for me that’s the norm. But the norm has to be by faith. He is here and He is my life. He is the voice of what He wants me to say and it is not me. And, and it’s a matter… It… That’s my opposite to what’s going on. I, I, I had the real so in such reality that when I saw that counterfeit, I knew it was not right.

John:
It didn’t smell right to you.

Martha:
It, it didn’t sound, smell,

John:
Taste!

Martha:
(Laughing) and taste – anything that was real, because I had had the real so long, and so, so lavishly from the Lord. So, I’ve been through some tremendous deserts simply so that I would not want experiences above just His will.

John:
And Him!

Martha:
And Him!

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
So I know what it’s like on both sides, you see.

John:
Right, right.

Martha:
So…

John:
Yeah, because we’re not saying that, that He doesn’t do manifestations. We’re not saying that He…

Martha:
He wants to!

John:
He does want to.

Martha:
He promises if you obey Him and love Him and obey Him, He and the Father will come and live with you and manifest themselves to you. And, and see so that’s been the verse of my lifetime. “Ok, I want You to manifest. So I… And I love you so I will obey You.” I have… I obey so that I can know Him.

John:
Um hmm, um hmm.

Martha:
I live for the will of God because that’s where He is.

John:
Right.

Martha:
But He has graciously caused me to suffer some really dry territory over some long periods, really.

John:
Right.

Martha:
And I appreciate it because I don’t want to be, I don’t want to follow the fools.

John:
Hmm.

Martha:
I didn’t mean to say that but I’ll leave it on the tape. I, I don’t want to, I don’t want to be duped. I want only the real. And I’d rather be destitute and have Him than to be happy-go-lucky…

John:
Yeah, that, I mean…

Martha:
…with fireworks.

John:
…the Israelis were, you know, sitting out in the wilderness and, but they were with Him in the wilderness. That’s a huge difference.

Martha:
And He was manifesting to them through the rocks, by all, all along with way…

John:
Exactly.

Martha:
…the manna. So I guess we’re joining the ranks that want to warn against the fake.

John:
Right.

Martha:
But when you came, John, you weren’t a writer and you weren’t eloquent.

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
And the… The… I don’t even know how you’ve gotten the vocabulary.

John:
I tired to write. I did try to write.

Martha:
And, and you did well.

John:
Well, it was…

Martha:
It, it, it was…

John:
Convoluted!

Martha:
You did some reports on, on your situation…

John:
Right.

Martha:
…of living with us. And they were, they were great. But what the Lord has done is just phenomenal because you have… You astonish me with your vocabulary. It, it… Somehow you pick things up, you understand instinctively the meaning, you apply it correctly. It’s just so all of God.

John:
It totally is.

Martha:
Just so wonderful. I want everybody to be in their place…

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
…in the body of Christ. And, and I’ve told before Zola Levitt said to a group, a large group… I went to a writing seminar and he said, “If you’re not called to write, I beg you, don’t write. We can’t find the books God meant to be written for those that weren’t meant to be written.”

John:
Hmm.

Martha:
So it’s, it’s… And I, I’m going to make a plea, too, because we are… I covet the prayers of people who listen to Christ in us.

John:
Absolutely.

Martha:
We need your prayers. We’re going to be writing intensively. I have the book on the bride to finish and that’s a huge project…

John:
Right.

Martha:
…overwhelming to me every day of my life. And I only… I’m hanging on by faith that I don’t have to write it because it’s too much for me.

John:
Right.

Martha:
It’s too big. And…

John:
It’s too important.

Martha:
And it’s, it’s the day for it…

John:
Absolutely!

Martha:
…it’s the time and the hour. And I cannot describe the warfare that is against me to do this…

John:
Right.

Martha:
…to be available to it. We’re, we’re going to be going on a, a writing trip soon.

John:
I’m trying to set them up. I’m trying to, to set them up like even monthly. I’m, I’m willing to do… We need to get, get where we’re away and can, can write. It… I don’t know what it is about being at the, the…

Martha:
It’s hard to explain why…

John:
It’s, it’s…

Martha:
…it’s so necessary, isn’t it? It’s, it’s… When you’re in a hotel room, you are completely free of your world.

John:
Yes! And it’s not calling on you and…

Martha:
Right.

John:
…and, and nagging you…

Martha:
Pulling at you.

John:
And pulling at you.

Martha:
(Laughing) And, and you’re not… You don’t have to think about it – all that I need to do on my farm. I’ve left the farm so I can’t think about it.

John:
Exactly.

Martha:
There’s no point in thinking about it. And it’s, it’s really crucial for me especially.

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
I don’t know…

John:
For me it is because the, the office is here…

Martha:
In your house.

John:
…in my house and, and so that, that makes it, you know, a little difficult. And then, you know, I’ve, I’ve got… Being the person that makes sure and manages everything, you know, there’s always something; a printer going down, a computer going down…

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
…a, you know, a, a bill needing to be— There’s always something, you know, and then plus writing and putting all the, the podcasts in, in, and the blogs in their format. It takes hours.

Martha:
It takes such, such time.

John:
Because I do the pictures and I have to…

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
There’s another thing I do. I think! I, I’m not like… I listen. When I’m listening to the podcast, I’m hearing what’s being said and I’m looking for the visual. And I see the visual and I go find it and I put it in there. And I…

Martha:
So the pictures are a ministry.

John:
Yeah! I mean, you know…

Martha:
They really are. It’s a visual…

John:
I mean, sometimes the concept is too, too high and all you can do is a silhouette with a man with his arms up. You know, that’s kind of me, too. But, you know, I really try to make those, those images relative to the, the content.

Martha:
Yes, you do and you succeed at it. And you… And I know you search and search and search.

John:
It takes me hours.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
It really does. It takes me hours.

Martha:
And we’re leaving all of it with faithful Jennifer.

John:
Yeah, absolutely.

Martha:
But, you know, she has a grace for it…

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
…that is amazing. She… There are many ways in which she loves that time.

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
And…

John:
I mean she, you know… Obviously she doesn’t like to be, be alone all the time and everything like that. But, you know, I so appreciate her being able to, you know, keep everything going.

Martha:
With, joyfully and with grace! And… But I do ask for prayer for her…

John:
Sure.

Martha:
…because she is crucial to what we’re doing. She’s working on your manuscript now. She’s a splendid editor.

John:
She is a great editor.

Martha:
Just splendid.

John:
Yep.

Martha:
A dream.

John:
Um hmm. So she’s working on the, The Great Exchange and so we will see what God does with that.

Martha:
Yeah. Oh, in two times when I have asked for prayer, I have had phenomenal answers. One, one time I think forty-five people prayed and fasted…

John:
Wow!

Martha:
…and that’s when I had the experience of the Lamb.

John:
Yeah, that was amazing!

Martha:
I want that being put into a book…

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
too. That, that recognizing the Lamb in who He is and what He means. I want, I want it in a book so badly.

John:
Me too.

To Write for God Takes Time – Episode #680 – Shulamite Podcast

Whether God calls you to write, or speak, or serve in any way, you need time to wait on Him. And sometimes, you need time away from the bustle of everyday life. God will provide everything you need to obey His will for your life. All you have to do is receive.

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Whether God calls you to write, or speak, or serve in any way, you need time to wait on Him. And you may need time away from the bustle of everyday life. Whether God calls you to write, or speak, or serve in any way, you need time to wait on Him. And sometimes, you need time away from the bustle of everyday life. God will provide everything you need to obey His will for your life. All you have to do is receive. Shulamite Ministries clean 9:22
The Holy Spirit Leads True Revival – Episode #679 https://shulamitepodcast.com/holy-spirit-leads-true-revival/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=holy-spirit-leads-true-revival Sat, 07 Dec 2019 10:00:17 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=5250 https://shulamitepodcast.com/holy-spirit-leads-true-revival/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/holy-spirit-leads-true-revival/feed/ 2 <p>The Holy Spirit Leads True Revival Episode #679 12/08/2019 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #678. True revival comes from the Holy Spirit and is led by Him as well. No man or woman can orchestrate revival; we can only pray that it will […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/holy-spirit-leads-true-revival/">The Holy Spirit Leads True Revival – Episode #679</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> The Holy Spirit Leads True Revival
Episode #679
12/08/2019

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow

This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #678.
True revival comes from the Holy Spirit and is led by Him as well. No man or woman can orchestrate revival; we can only pray that it will fall on us all.

John:
Someone asked me yesterday, they said, you know, “What are you writing?” And I told them and I said, “You know, The Great Exchange is absolutely amazing.” I said, “This book is just absolutely phenomenal.” She said, “You know something? I know what that means for you.” She said, “I know that you are not taking credit. You’re not being arrogant with this. You’re not puffing up your ego. You’re literally, just because I know you, I know you’re referencing that this is something that you received and you got and so you’re not crediting yourself for it at all.”

Martha:
Um hmm. I appreciate your friend’s comment, John, because it is true. I don’t have words until the Holy Spirit gives words.

John:
Right.

Martha:
You don’t have words, so your words are beyond your ability.

John:
Totally, totally, totally.

Martha:
And so are mine.

John:
Yeah.

Martha:
I’ll read something and I’ll say, “I can’t possibly have known that or ever written it.”

John:
Exactly.

Martha:
It came from the anointing of the Spirit.

John:
Yeah.

Martha:
He’s just using this body to write.

John:
Exactly.

Martha:
My…  What is it? The Psalm 45? “My heart is the pen of a ready writer.” My heart is the pen.

John:
Right.

Martha:
My body is the vessel.

John:
Right.

Martha:
And I’m only, only waiting in terms of hearing Him. And that’s not some grandiose thing to say. That is the reality.

John:
Yeah, yeah.

Martha:
That is the common, practical, absolutely bottom-line reality is that when…  And he…  Paul said it to the Corinthians. “I’m speaking to you words of the Spirit.

John:
Right.

Martha:
And the Spirit gives life and the letter killeth.

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
So, we are, we’re waiting and willing to wait for the Holy Spirit to, to speak, to give the unction, to give the revelation.

John:
Well, I’m, I’m realizing that, you know, that when I’m reading what I wrote later…

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
…I’m like, “Golly, did I write that?”

Martha:
Um hmm. Yeah, I do, too. And I can barely believe it sometimes because my style is totally different.

John:
Um hmm.

Martha:
Yours is really clean and spare and, and…  You…  What you wrote about the ku…  I read a lot of things about the kundalini spirit because I’ve witnessed it and left it and…  But I know, I know that what you wrote is a clear explanation of it. And that…  When did you write it?

John:
I don’t even remember. It, it was a couple of weeks I wrote this.

Martha:
Oh, ok. Have…  Do you brood on it a lot along the way?

John:
So the lady asked me the question…

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
…and I said, “I, I got to get back with you.” And I went and I listened and this is…  I wrote this out as, as, of what I heard.

Martha:
Uh huh.

John:
You know? So I didn’t give the lady an immediate answer. I mean I may have given her one line about falsehood because I know it’s false. But I, I, you know, this was clear to me and I thought, “Oh my gosh, I’ve got to put this out there” because it is so clear. It is…

Martha:
It is so, uh huh.

John:
You know it’s…

Martha:
And it’s a current problem.

John:
Exactly. Yeah.

Martha:
And it’s…  Every…  I believe we’re on the edge of revival and if there’s not a whole lot of prayer and surrender to the Holy Spirit, that can kill a movement of the Spirit…

John:
Right.

Martha:
…that’s, that kundalini thing. I’m…  I read about the, a revival in the Hebrides and the man named Dave Thomas went down and interviewed…  Have I talked about this on-

John:
Yeah, I think you’ve…

Martha:
line before?

John:
I believe you’ve done…

Martha:
Probably in the Tape of the Month. I don’t know.

John:
That’s ok. Do it again.

Martha:
Well, it’s just the most amazing thing I’ve ever heard and gave me, gave me such incentive to pray and desire what happened in the Hebrides. These…  It started with two ladies. One was an aunt of Donald Trump. And the women started praying, two crippled women alone in their, their little home.

John:
One was blind, right?

Martha:
One was blind, one was crippled. They couldn’t go to church.

John:
Right.

Martha:
So they were sisters and they just had church in their house. Well, they began to pray mightily for a revival in that area and then to the world. Then men began to join the prayer. And a number of men met to, to pray for revival.

And when it came, they determined that no one would be able to look at a person and, and say that, that person made the revival happen. They refused to be at the center of the phenomenal.

What was happening was the Holy Spirit fell on church upon church sovereignly, and so the Holy Spirit was so in charge that He would conduct an entire service and just different ones led of the Holy Spirit would participate.

But there was no person who was head of it. There was no person who could take credit for it and at times people would just show up at a church led of the Spirit there and then the Spirit would come. But the Holy Spirit was absolutely in charge. And I don’t know that we’ve ever let Him in, in most of Christianity. I don’t know that we’ve ever wanted Him to be totally in charge.

John:
Actually, last month you, you were talking about this.

Martha:
Oh, ok.

John:
It was last month. It was the…  One of the podcasts is Resurrecting of Vision for Revival and you talked about the Hebrides in there.

Martha:
Oh, ok.

John:
And but no…

Martha:
Can I say it again (laughs)?

John:
…this is great. Absolutely.

Martha:
It’s phenomenal. I see. These men would not even go to the service and be seen so that no one could elevate them.

John:
That’s perfect.

Martha:
And it was so anointed and so phenomenal. The Holy Spirit was free to move all around that area and then it spread to the world. And that’s, that’s what we want, John, nothing but the move of the Spirit, nothing but the anointing of the Spirit. And I believe that it would be possible to have a great revival if there’s a lot of undergirding prayer, united common prayer against the false appearance of the signs and experiences and so forth.

I think we are being prepared for that revival by this emphasis on the kundalini spirit. And the actually naming, Strom is actually naming the leaders who are involved in it. And so all the information we need is there to, for our protection. Our preparation is perfect. God goes before to solve the problem before it happens so that we don’t have to fight it. This thing is already being fought on many grounds of people who are truly, truly the Lord’s spokesmen.

So is there anything else you can tell me about your writing experience except that it’s a miracle. It’s a miracle isn’t it, John?

John:
It’s a miracle. Yeah, sure enough. It’s, it’s, you know, it’s quite beyond me and it’s quite beyond my education. It’s quite beyond it all because of the fact that I, I’m, I’m, I feel like I’m dictating. I’m not saying that it’s infallible. But I am saying that I, I did get it from Him.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
It’s not like I didn’t.

Martha:
And there’s no way to say otherwise.

John:
Right. Yeah. I would be lying if I told you I, you know, “Oh yes, I’ve been pondering this for so many years.” No, it, no. That’s not the way it went at all. And the thing about the kundalini spirit is the fact that, you know…  I, I was willing the suck it down. I was…  At the very beginning…

Martha:
You were looking for it.

John:
…I was looking for it and I, I went to a lot of these places and I was, I was signed up. I was ready. I, I was like, “I will be there.”

Martha:
“Give it to me.”

John:
“Give it to me.” And, you know, I’ve written about it and I’ve, actually in Where Are You, God? the, the booklet. I talked about, you know, being willing to suck down a little counterfeit, so, because I was so hungry. And… But now this side of it all, it has been made putrid to me.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
Because I know the real and I know, you know… ”They will know Me by My voice,” you know? We, if we’ll be sheep and if we’ll be Shepherded, we will know Him, we will know when it is Him because it smells like Him and it feels like Him. You can, you… I mean there… This other stuff it’s, you know, it’s, it’s a convenience store explosion of, of happy fireworks and stuff like that but it’s, it’s not real. It doesn’t, it doesn’t leave me in wonder of Him.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
I’m in wonder of the sign.

Martha:
Um hmm.

The Holy Spirit Leads True Revival – Episode #679 – Shulamite Podcast

True revival comes from the Holy Spirit and is led by Him. No man or woman can orchestrate revival; we can only pray that it will fall on us. And when it comes, those who are surrendered to the Shepherd will recognize His voice; a counterfeit won’t fool them.

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True revival comes from the Holy Spirit and is led by Him as well. No man or woman can orchestrate revival; we can only pray that it will fall on us all. True revival comes from the Holy Spirit and is led by Him. No man or woman can orchestrate revival; we can only pray that it will fall on us. And when it comes, those who are surrendered to the Shepherd will recognize His voice; a counterfeit won't fool them. Shulamite Ministries clean 10:21
Waiting for the Anointing of the Holy Spirit – Episode #678 https://shulamitepodcast.com/waiting-anointing-holy-spirit/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=waiting-anointing-holy-spirit Sat, 30 Nov 2019 10:00:35 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=5247 https://shulamitepodcast.com/waiting-anointing-holy-spirit/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/waiting-anointing-holy-spirit/feed/ 4 <p>Waiting for the Anointing of the Holy Spirit Episode #678 12/01/2019 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow It is a discipline to wait for the anointing of the Holy Spirit before speaking or writing or acting. The temptation is to reason it out intellectually. Martha: This morning early I woke up and started reading a post […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/waiting-anointing-holy-spirit/">Waiting for the Anointing of the Holy Spirit – Episode #678</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> Waiting for the Anointing of the Holy Spirit
Episode #678
12/01/2019

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow

It is a discipline to wait for the anointing of the Holy Spirit before speaking or writing or acting. The temptation is to reason it out intellectually.

Martha:
This morning early I woke up and started reading a post from John. And it was absolutely brilliant on a subject that we had not discussed. And he was talking about the kundalini spirit and he was writing about it. It was so clear and so simple because it’s not easy to describe it. It’s simply signs and wonders from the devil that appear to be from God.

And I’ll go back and tell a story. Some, maybe even twenty-five or thirty years ago, the Lord told me to go to Orlando, FL by myself on an airline and go to a conference, a charismatic conference that was there at that time. Really didn’t know why, I just got on the plane and went.

And John arranged for a hotel and transportation, so forth. So I went and I watched and listened for about three days. And I went away from there knowing I would wipe the dust off my feet, that I would not be open to that kind of thing.

And it would be hard to describe to you why, except that it was bizarre. There was no mention of repentance. There was no mention of obedience. There was… I don’t know that there was even the name of Jesus mentioned. It was all about these bizarre experiences, walking with angels. Which can happen. That’s… It’s just… It was just all of it was on the side of the really bizarre and it wasn’t believable.

Later I, somehow, learned about Andrew Strom from New Zealand or, yeah, New Zealand, who’d experienced the same thing. And he, he did really renounced that charismatic movement because of the absence of the realities of the gospel like repentance, obedience, purity—all the things that, that we are called to.

He began to write about it quite boldly and gave the reasons why he left. And then he began to write about something called the kundalini spirit which he traced and discovered and has written about now for some years. I think he’s got several books about it.

And this morning I opened to John’s post to Get Along with God, and this article is called “The Kundalini Spirit Rather Than the Holy Spirit.” And one of… Dear friends of ours asked John to explain this. And he wrote “Generically it refers to any temptation to seek after gods, false teachers, spiritual distractions. It’s the manifestation of signs without Christ.”

And it’s really manifestation of, of the enemy and deception.

John:
All appearing real.

Martha:
Right. And all about experiences, elevating experiences above the tenants of the Gospel.

John:
We’re so prone to that and we’re so susceptible to that. It’s one of the major susceptibilities we have is that we want to experience God and so sometimes we’re willing to suck down the…

Martha:
The fake!

John:
…the fake.

Martha:
And what you write here is, “The ploy of Satan is so crafty, because it is an assault on our very desire to experience the spiritual. God gives us these desires and yearnings of the heart.”

And I want everybody to experience God. But we are called… You know what? In John 17 we are called to know Him. To know Him involves experiencing Him but it’s a much bigger word. If you define… If you confine being with God to experiences, that’s when you’re really ripe to be deceived. Instead in every situation to know Him. What does this tell you about God? What do I know about Him in these things I’m going through?

So th, th… What you wrote was just brilliant, John, because it was

John:
Thank you!

Martha:
simple.

John:
Um hmm, um hmm.

Martha:
It was direct and it was… You made a clear explanation and then you made a clear explanation of why, why, what it really is.

John:
Well, Julia wrote me this morning and she said that she was referencing this, this post and she was telling me that she appreciated it and I basically said that to boil it really down to the core it’s super spirituality without the Spirit. That’s what the kundalini spirit is. It’s, it’s, you know…

Martha:
It’s the wrong spirit.

John:
It’s the wrong spirit. It’s absolutely the wrong spirit. But it is, it’s without the Spirit, capital S Spirit. And so that, that’s why you’re, you’re so susceptible because you do want the super spiritual manifestations, you know? But if we ever are willing to compromise and, and not keep it in the, in the realm of the Holy Spirit then we’re in big trouble. The Holy Spirit can do amazing things, can do major miracles and, and wonders, and, and all kinds of stuff.

Martha:
And experiences.

John:
And experiences.

Martha:
It’s part of it, but it is not experiences we are to seek.

John:
Right.

Martha:
It’s the Lord’s will.

John:
Right.

Martha:
It’s the presence of the Holy Spirit and His will, and you made it so clear.

So it made me say, “John, this morning I would like to interview you about your writing.”

John:
Yeah, yeah that’s what she said (both laughing).

Martha:
Gotcha!

So because you didn’t began with any thought of ever being a published writer.

John:
No, never.

Martha:
And you have two, two books. One of them is large, The Sovereign Touch. The other one is Where Are You, God? which is your biography of your child, or your childhood with God.

John:
Um hmm, um hmm.

Martha:
And those are, you know, going to be put in print…

John:
Yeah.

Martha:
…hopefully.

John:
Real soon hopefully.

Martha:
Soon.

John:
And then the magnanimous, is that the right word?

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
…epic, as Jennifer calls it, is the Exchanged Life, The Great Exchange. And that’s about Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Martha:
And that’s twenty-two or twenty-three years of experience and learning.

John:
That’s right.

Martha:
And writing often.

So, but your writing comes from your relationship with the Lord. That is, that’s very clear. I will sometimes see you on the porch with the ocean or whatever. You’re on the porch and you’re silent, you’re staring. You have your computer in front of you. What— Tell me what’s going on then.

John:
Well, and this isn’t the way I’ve always been. The older I get, I guess the wiser I’m becoming because of the fact that I, I don’t go immediately to, to speak and to say. That’s not my, my goal is to let the Lord hear me. I want to hear Him. And so I literally, you know, like if somebody says, “Hey, can we pray?” And really you taught me this, too, it’s from you, that you listen!

You remember the interview with Sid Roth you, you, you know, you were like… He asked you, “What do you do at two o’clock in the morning when you’re awake?” And, and I’m like looking at you and going, “You listen. You listen.” And I don’t know what, I don’t remember what…

Martha:
Well, I, I didn’t know what to answer and I knew he was going to do that to me. So I asked God to help me. So I said, “I just say, ‘Where are you going Jesus? I’m going with You.’” Well, that was a fine answer but it was purely spontaneous (laughing).

John:
Yeah, and he, you know, I mean, he’s a, he’s a wily one, you know? You never know where he’s gonna go.

Martha:
He’s a force!

John:
He is a force!

So… But… The… I go and listen and I, I go to hear. And so I’ll, I’ll sit with you in prayer and I may not say a thing. I’m not looking. But then when I do say something, that it’s from Him, it’s amazing! And it’s succinct.

Martha:
Absolutely!

John:
It’s succinct.

Martha:
It is always…

John:
Like the other day I had that prayer for you. It was, it was totally succinct. It had, it had examples and history and everything. I literally gave you a package. I said, “Here you go. This is yours. You’re special.”  But I did that through hearing. So…

Martha:
So you are hearing first before you write, before you, before you speak?

John:
Yeah, I’m, I, you know… And, and someone asked me yesterday, they said, you know, “What are you writing and, you know, what’s, what’s happening?” And I, I told them and I said, “You know, The Great Exchange is absolutely amazing.” And that you read it at the beach and you, you wept through it. And I told her that and I said, “This book is just absolutely phenomenal.” She said, “You know something? I know what that means for you.” She said, “I know that you are not taking credit. You’re not being arrogant with this. You’re not puffing up your ego. You’re literally just because I know you I know you’re referencing that this is something that you received and you got and so you’re not crediting yourself for it at all.”

And that’s the truth because, you know, I heard that stuff. It’s not like I have, you know, a, a huge wealth of education and knowledge and, and, but I do have a lot of practical experience and earthly examples and God’s amazing, dramatic demonstrations to me so that I get the object lesson well.

So…

Martha:
So you begin by not thinking. You began by waiting for Him. And this morning I read from Austin-Sparks, his November 7 Windows. The… He’s talking about the anointing. Oh, the anointing! I love the charismatic world but I, I’m really not in that. But the anointing is the thing. We want to get the anointing.

John:
Absolutely. The glory and the anointing!

Martha:
And that’s right. It’s absolutely right.

But here’s what Sparks says and I love it. First, he quotes 1 John 2:27 NIV:

The anointing you received from Him remains in you. His anointing teaches you about all things. That anointing is real, not counterfeit – just as it was taught you, remain in Him.

So all that, that we have to say needs to come from the Holy Spirit. All that we, all that we see up here must be the Holy Spirit. And Austin-Sparks said. “The greatest need of the church in his day and this day especially is the gift of discerning of spirits.”

John:
Um, um, yeah.

Martha:

But he says, “What is the meaning of the anointing of the Holy Spirit? It is nothing less and nothing more than the Holy Spirit taking His place as absolute Lord. The anointing carries with it the absolute Lordship of the Holy Spirit. That means all other lordships have been deposed and set aside; our life, our mind, our will, our desires, the lordship of others. Every interest, every influence is regarded as having given place to the undivided, unreserved lordship of the Holy Spirit.

And what you are doing out there you’re not just listening, you’re bowing. Am I right?

John:
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah!

Martha:
The essentialness of, you can’t hear unless you bow. You cut… You bow and then you hear.

John:
That’s right.

Martha:

You surrender and then you know. So your, your method is somehow what the Holy Spirit has developed in you and that’s what I’m going to ask you to share. And that’s, that’s it. I know that you are surrendering. Waiting is above all things surrender.

“So the anointing takes everything out of our hands,” says Sparks. “The anointing takes charge. The anointing is the very purpose of God. The anointing takes complete control of everything and all from that moment is the hands of the Holy Spirit.”

“If we want to learn Christ we have to go exactly the same way Christ did. Here’s, this is called The Way of Christ. “The Son can do nothing out from Himself.”

John:
Absolutely!

Martha:
(Sparks) You see, that is the negative side of the anointing. Perhaps it’s a little different than the idea of anointing from what we have said, “Oh, to be anointed of the Holy Spirit! What wonders will follow; how wonderful that life will be!”

 “The first and the abiding thing about the anointing is that we are imprisoned to the Lordship of the Spirit of God, so there can be nothing if He does not do it.

John:
There you go. That’s it!

Martha:
We’ve walked with the Lord… I’ve walked with the Lord about fifty years and I know I don’t acquire anything that I can use. It’s never an acquisition. It’s always a revelation. That’s… I may have known it or heard it in the past but if it’s the anointing it comes up in resurrection life and it’s fresh now, now, now!

John:
Right.

Martha:
And it’s… And this morning, it’s so incredible because you write about the kundalini, I was brooding on it, and I read your post, and then I go and look and Sparks speaks of the unction of the Holy Spirit, that it must be genuine from Him.

So, but you got there through a long…

John:
Long.

Martha:
…long walk, didn’t you, John?

John:
Yeah. It was a long, long, long process of going through that and, and a lot of banging my head and coming up with knots on my forehead. Because, you know, that, this isn’t natural for me, you know? Natural for me is to talk. Natural for me is to, you know, to speak. And the, to go and listen and to bow, yeah, I’m literally bowing. Yeah.

Martha:
Bowing and waiting!

Waiting for the Anointing of the Holy Spirit – Episode #678 – Shulamite Podcast

It is a true discipline to wait for the anointing of the Holy Spirit before speaking or writing or acting. The temptation is to reason it out intellectually or with “common sense.” And most of us do that! Which is why so little of Christendom reflects Christ.

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It is a discipline to wait for the anointing of the Holy Spirit before speaking or writing or acting. The temptation is to reason it out intellectually. It is a true discipline to wait for the anointing of the Holy Spirit before speaking or writing or acting. The temptation is to reason it out intellectually or with "common sense." And most of us do that! Which is why so little of Christendom reflects Christ. Shulamite Ministries clean 15:40
Death and Resurrection in Waiting on God – Episode #677 https://shulamitepodcast.com/death-resurrection-waiting-on-god/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=death-resurrection-waiting-on-god Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:00:38 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=5240 https://shulamitepodcast.com/death-resurrection-waiting-on-god/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/death-resurrection-waiting-on-god/feed/ 6 <p>Death and Resurrection in Waiting on God Episode #677 11/24/2019 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow Special Guest: Jennifer Wentzel and Joan Wentzel This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #675. There is absolutely a death in waiting on God to move. We die in that waiting! But the death is NOT […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/death-resurrection-waiting-on-god/">Death and Resurrection in Waiting on God – Episode #677</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> Death and Resurrection in Waiting on God
Episode #677
11/24/2019

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special Guest: Jennifer Wentzel and Joan Wentzel

This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #675.
There is absolutely a death in waiting on God to move. We die in that waiting! But the death is NOT without purpose. We do not die merely for death’s sake.

John:
Well, some may say, you know, well why, why what is there so enticing about going through this experience? Why would you ever want to go through this experience? Why would, why would I, I a by, a by-stander just looking at this say, “I’d want any of that”? And I, I would say because we’re going to see the glory of God. It’s because of the fruit of Him working death into us, so that He could bring His life through us. And, and someone who would say that would not understand that, you know, Paul even says “Death works in me that life might work in you.

And that is exactly the whole deal. The reason why you would want to experience something like this – even the, the waiting, the death – because there is a resurrection side to it. It’s not a death unto death for death’s sake. This is a death unto life. And so that’s why I’m excited, because I was investing in resurrection life.

Yeah, I understand! I’ve, I’ve been, I’ve been walking with you for, what, twenty, almost five years, twenty-two, twenty-five, whatever, years and I, I know now that, that it is death. That you have to, you have to, you have to die!

And, you know I, I… Before, before I would have never thought that. Before I thought you just pick it up and “Oh, my gosh! Look I got another present. It’s just like an Easter egg that’s just out in the yard!” Well, no, it’s not like that at all. It’s death!

Martha:
You, you’ve said for twenty, more than twenty years, “People want what you have but they don’t what to go what you go through.”

John:
They don’t want to pay the price.

Martha:
They don’t want to pay the price.

John:
Absolutely!

Martha:
And the price is die. And what you really said, Joan, was that we, you had no control of any of it. You had… You couldn’t… None, none of us had any control. That was the death that only God for all of us, it was only God who could, who could solve it and, and bring it to an end. And we, I wasn’t sure it would come to an end.

John:
I could make you food, I could set up vitamins, I could do whatever. I could, I could get your supplements in you. I… But there was no guarantee that any of that was going to do anything.

Martha:
Uh huh. That’s right.

John:
But I just knew that I was supposed to. It wasn’t like I was just doing it because this is what I’m supposed to do, this is what, you know… This was, this was something that He… It was His will.

Martha:
Wow!

John:
That’s, that’s totally different than just…

Martha:
That’s the issue.

John:
I didn’t just, you know, pick it up and say, “Oh, well, I’m just going to run with this.” No! I knew the will of God: “Put these vitamins in this woman’s mouth,” you know? And so I did.

Martha:
Wow. That’s the secret, John. You did it for obedience…

John:
I was obedient.

Martha:
…into His will…

John:
Yes.

Martha:
…and that’s why it was fruitful in your life. Anything else would not have been the same…

John:
Well, that’s true.

Martha:
thing. That’s amazing!

John:
It was… It’s going to be eternal because it came from, from the Head. It was, it was…

Martha:
Wow!

John:
…it was the will of God and so it has eternal benefit and eternal

Martha:
Reward!

John:
reward. Absolutely!

Martha:
Oh, that’s incredible!

John:
But if I, you know, if I just said, “Oh, well, you know…

Martha:
I’m gonna help this poor woman.

John:
…yeah, I’m gonna help her and…

Martha:
She’s old and I need to help her (laughing)!

John:
I bet, I bet, I bet she needs, you know, aspirin to keep her blood thin. That would have been wrong.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
I couldn’t have done logic on any of this.

Martha:
Uh uh.

John:
I just signed on and said, “Whatever it does, whatever it takes, let’s go!”

Jennifer:
John, it just occurs to me, what exactly did I think it would be to be taken into the wilderness so that He could speak softly to me? I always focus on ‘the speak softly to me.’ But where’s He doing it? In the middle of hell really! A desert wilderness is not a nice place, but He’s got my attention. Right?

John:
Right!

Jennifer:
So I, I think for me it just occurs to me that I don’t know it yet, although I can say that my life is blown up in the best way also agonizing all over the place in the aftermath of, of all of that.

He has my attention. I’m in the wilderness. I’m in the wilderness for the purpose of removing obstacles to my hearing Him, to my seeing Him, to my communing with Him. He can speak softly to me in the wilderness because it’s just me and it’s just Him and there is nothing else – not my agenda, not my I want this. I mean, I’m nothing! I’m nothing and in a place of nothing.

So somewhere in every single one of us, and I don’t know where, but I think that He probably removed an obstacle that needed to be removed. And I can’t wait to see it, because John’s right, it is eternal on the other end. I don’t have to know it and I didn’t know it going through it. But it’s never without purpose, eternal purpose for Him.

Martha:
Oh! And amazingly in the middle of it, I wrote a big book, thick book on forgiveness and He gave me the power to do that, the physical stamina to do it, and some days I wrote for eight hours. And that was impossible! That was absolutely impossible in that place. And then when the book was done, back I went. And it was gone and published and then my little siege of grace ended, too, and I went back to being pretty helpless.

But, it’s, it’s such a mystery. He is such a mystery. Joan, you said about Nicodemus…

See, the thing about God is that we’re called to know Him and He’s so strange. And so when we see the strange things happen, what does it say about Him? We don’t, we don’t know! He is like a… anyway.

Joan:
Reading in John 3 and I’ve read the story of Nicodemus may times but just saw something so interesting and it kind of went along with where we were in this where we didn’t know. We just simply didn’t know anything and it was difficult for all of us.

But Nicodemus came to Jesus and He said, “Master, we know that You are a man sent from God because of all the miracles and the wonders You do.”

And I could just never get Jesus’ response! But Jesus said to him, and I’m reading out of the Passion: “Jesus answered Nicodemus, ‘Listen to this eternal truth. Before a person can perceive God’s kingdom realm, they must first experience a rebirth.’”

I said, “God, what does that have to do with anything?” I just can’t… I really… I mean, this is how I read the word. “God, I can’t get that!” But I saw that Jesus’ answer to our “I know,” which is the flesh, we think we know what’s going on, was, “No, Nicodemus, you’re not born again. You don’t see the kingdom. You can’t even perceive it because you haven’t had a rebirth.” And we all need a rebirth to be able to perceive that this is God.

And then He goes on to say, “And you can’t enter without it.” But I saw that kind of what we were in is a… Then He goes on to say, “You know the Spirit wind blows as it chooses. You can hear its sound but you don’t know where it came from or where it’s going. So it is within the hearts of those who are Spirit born.”

And this was a time of mystery for all of us, an amazing time of mystery. It was death, it was mystery, it was bewilderment. And I feel like we only had one real word and that came from Jacquelyn during that time. And she saw Martha being shot out of a cannon! And I thought, “How, when, and where is this gonna happen?” But, you know, it was true, it was true. But that was our one word we kind of hung on was Jacquelyn’s word about Martha.

Martha:
Okay. What you just said, Joan, and I was shot out of a cannon. I had one instant healing and it was a, it was a extreme, beyond-belief fatigue. I never put this together but I, when I was shot out of a cannon, I was sitting at my desk and all of a sudden, every symptom was gone in a flash and I, I felt like I’d, I had been shot out of a cannon.

I called my daughter and I said, “What did you pray?” And she said, “Oh, Isaiah 40, ‘Those who wait on the Lord shall gain new strength.’” And I didn’t know till this minute that even her prayer was under the mandate to wait on the Lord. Those… So this is forever one of my most powerful scriptures. “He gives strength to the weary, to him who lacks might He increases power.” Now He didn’t seem to do that for me. “Yet those who wait for the Lord will gain new strength. They will mount up with wings like eagles” and the Amplified, I think, says, “Toward the heavens.“They will run and not get tired. They will walk and not become weary.”

But see even she, even y’all had to wait! Even she had to wait to know what to pray. And she’s, she’s been just an unbelievable intercessor for me but she, she knew exactly what she had prayed when I asked her. She was waiting on the Lord. So everybody had the same mandate although it manifested in different ways. Isn’t that amazing?

Joan:
And we truly had no idea where the Spirit was going in any way for Martha, for John, for Jen, for Jacquelyn, for me, for Dave. We had no idea. And from day to day the nothing, nothingness was there. But yet God was at work and there was to my knowledge never a time without a CD of the Month, without a podcast. God intervened mightily. He wrote. He ministered. He was there through the whole thing. But it, from the day-to-day standpoint it seemed like nothing.

Martha:
Oh, I have a current miracle that demonstrates the whole thing.

John:
Yay!

Martha:
A precious young woman in my life, I’ll call her Allie, several times she’s had the threat of breast cancer and every time she has come out of it without any.

She called me again and was scheduled for yet another biopsy and I didn’t pray. I didn’t try to pray. I didn’t try to know what to say. I didn’t start praying. I didn’t do anything. I started waiting. I didn’t ask God anything. Just He knew what I was there for, I was showing up for.

Have you ever done, been working at something but you really weren’t there? You may be working in the kitchen but your mind is on something else, you’re waiting maybe for someone to come to the door? That’s how I lived for a few, few days. I, I was going along looking like I was living but I was not here. I was before the Lord not saying a word. I was waiting.

And when I heard the word, it was this, “It’s not possible! It’s not possible for Allie to have cancer.” So I called her… I sent, I sent her an email.

But that came from waiting. We don’t know how to pray. I just read it in Romans 8. We don’t know how to pray like we should pray. We have to wait on the Spirit who will give the prayer. And so it was the simplest thing in the world because I had no prayer, no nothing and all I did was just go in the state of waiting and listening for His voice and when it came it was so absolute. And, of course, she called today and there is no cancer.

So waiting is really how I’ve lived for fifty years because I’ve always had nothing. I had no Bible education. I had no credentials. I had no knowledge. And He threw me in deep waters of working with people, and I knew that I could, oh, I could mess up bad because I didn’t know squat.

But He always gave me exactly what I needed and He was always there. But I’ve always had to wait for everything. And so if I have a, a gift to give out of what I’ve been through, it would be, “Wait on the Lord!”

The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth does not become weary or tired. His understanding is inscrutable. And those who wait for the Lord shall gain new strength” even if it takes a long time!

Death and Resurrection in Waiting on God – Episode #677 – Shulamite Podcast

There is absolutely a death in waiting on God to move. We die in that waiting! But the death is NOT without purpose. We do not die merely for death’s sake. And we don’t stay in the wilderness of death! A new and glorious LIFE awaits us on the other side.

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There is absolutely a death in waiting on God to move. We die in that waiting! But the death is NOT without purpose. We do not die merely for death's sake. There is absolutely a death in waiting on God to move. We die in that waiting! But the death is NOT without purpose. We do not die merely for death's sake. And we don't stay in the wilderness of death! A new and glorious LIFE awaits us on the other side. Shulamite Ministries clean 15:17