Shulamite Podcast mp3 https://shulamitepodcast.com The Shulamite Podcast is a weekly conversation on discovering God & encouraging believers into deeper relationship with the Lord by Shulamite Ministries. Sun, 17 Feb 2019 17:27:50 +0000 en hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.3 The Shulamite Podcast .mp3 is weekly conversations encouraging believers into deeper relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. We explore the practical side of discipleship and discover God together in Body life. Shulamite Ministries clean Shulamite Ministries john@shulamitepodcast.com john@shulamitepodcast.com (Shulamite Ministries) © Shulamite Ministries Come experience anointed audio messages - not giving just another method, but a living impartation. Shulamite Podcast mp3 http://shulamitepodcast.com/wp-content/themes/Shulacast/images/Shulamite-Podcast-mp3.jpg https://shulamitepodcast.com TV-G Weekly The Hope of Words that Move Mountains – Episode #637 https://shulamitepodcast.com/words-that-move-mountains/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=words-that-move-mountains Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:00:17 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=4945 https://shulamitepodcast.com/words-that-move-mountains/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/words-that-move-mountains/feed/ 3 <p>The Hope of Words that Move Mountains Episode #637 2-17-2019 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow Special Guest: Jennifer Wentzel The power of proclamation gleaned in Kenyon’s Words that Move Mountains led Martha to a revelation of The End Time Hope, February’s Message of the Month. Martha: We’re meeting here around the fireplace and we’ve been discussing […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/words-that-move-mountains/">The Hope of Words that Move Mountains – Episode #637</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> The Hope of Words that Move Mountains
Episode #637
2-17-2019

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special Guest: Jennifer Wentzel
The power of proclamation gleaned in Kenyon’s Words that Move Mountains led Martha to a revelation of The End Time Hope, February’s Message of the Month.
Martha:
We’re meeting here around the fireplace and we’ve been discussing the podcast that came out today (2-10-19, Episode #636). And we’ve listened to it again because at the end of it here’s what I asked for: I said, “I’m going to ask all of you who are listening to help us. Show us what you’ve learned about working out your salvation. Write us a comment of your choices and let’s make this an ongoing conversation.” And then I said, “The issue… I want to move mountains with His words so we’ll be telling stories about amazing things, I’m confident.”

So some of you did, and you did write amazing things and I’ll just read part of it. They are all recorded on the Shulamitepodcast.com and you can read all of them. Sandy from Brazil says… She, she picked up on the words. “The Holy Spirit has lately very much not allowed me to ignore the weight of words. The ones I choose to think, speak and listen to have become shockingly revealing to me of my choice of Him or not! When I choose His words, it’s always a bending of my knees to Him as Sovereign.” Isn’t that beautiful? Thank you, Sandy. That’s rich. That’s what I wanted. I wanted your thoughts, your experiences.

And Steve Pierson said some wonderful things but I wanted to say this, “As I read this I remembered a quote from Fredrick Faber, “Choice is the highest act of Love.” I’m not sure I’ve ever heard that quote but it is incredible. He says, Steve says, “That phrase speaks volumes, doesn’t it?”

Andrea of Canada says, “I attended a gathering of folks who have a heart for the world and who every now and again come together in worship and intercessions. One of the directives from the Lord very early at the gathering was, ‘Watch your words.’ So instead of focusing on dark areas, we deliberately chose to lift our eyes and focus on the Lord.”

And that’s— It seems that the Holy Spirit is speaking about speaking, because my daughter said recently, “I don’t think I’ll ever say another word.” Because the Scripture shows how, as Sandy says, “weighty.”

Our dear Tammy said, “Choices! Christ as my Savior. Believing the Bible. Knowing He is Sovereign. And there are other choices after number one and in between two and three.” (Laughing) That was so cute!

So we rehearse, we went back to recover sort of what was said there. And this podcast is going to continue that. But we had a meeting for the Message of the Month, The End Time Hope. Thank you, Jennifer. It’s called The End Time Hope and it was something the Lord gave me for our group but I, and I knew that I wanted to share it wider than that.

Years ago the Lord gave me a very strong sense of the scripture saying about the Church, “You must be of one mind.” And I began… That became my primary prayer. “Make us of one mind.” And I think we did come to that and we’re still coming to that. It’s amazing that any group of two or more could be of one mind. It’s not of each other but the one mind is the mind of Christ.

And so what the Lord is doing, I believe He’s doing through scripture. And He gave me some scriptures in a 1-2-3 kind of order and I wanted to go over it a little bit with your help –those of you who have heard it and are here. I want your help. And these cards… We are sort of committed to going through these scriptures, nine scriptures and principles, together. And if we all have the same word, we will all be of the same mind. And if we’re all meditating on the same scripture, we’re going to come together with the same mind. And I think I offered on the Tape of the Month that if you wanted these cards that we, we have, just let us know and we will send them to you.

John:
You know, this is kind of cool because we’ve been on this book that we’re selling now – the Words that Move Mountains. We’ve been on that for really it’s been quite a while. It’s been… I’ve had it on the board that I wanted to get it in because it was so powerful and you were so impacted by it. And it’s like the Lord has laid a foundation of the value of moving mountains with, with the word of God. And that book is so absolutely fantastic. I really, I can’t, I can’t get through it because I’m still camped out in the first little area of it. But then from there, the Words that Move Mountains, that was kind of the precursor to where He went and then He’s giving you these nine words that move mountains. I mean, literally these are mountain-moving words that you’ve set up in the nine that are on the CD of the Month. And how everybody that commented were on the words.

Martha:
That was interesting that everybody that commented, that was… And I had even forgotten that we talked about that that much. But that little book and I hope we can carry it and make it available.

John:
No, no, no, no! We have got it. We’re got it now available.

Martha:
E.W. Kenyon.

John:
It’s Words that Move Mountains and it’s just, it has empowered and, and just…

Martha:
There’s the fire! I think you started that fire because of that. And when I was sick, I began to declare the way that he taught you to declare it and in two days I had a turnaround. And the amazing thing to me was that he illuminated, Kenyon pointed to the spoken word of the Word; affirmation. That speaking… He gave me so much foundation in the scriptures that we are to speak aloud the Word and I understand, in the early Church, the letters of Paul were read aloud over and over. And revelation was read aloud. So declaring it… He, he gives you that foundation in the scriptures and then he shows you the result. And it really is incredible result. So I’m sure that sparked what the Lord gave me in these nine cards.

John:
It’s like a ladder. Don’t you see that it’s been moving up, moving up and that was one of the rungs of the ladder and it’s just, it gives you such a vision of it.

Jennifer:
I’m, I’m right with you, John, in terms of the build. I think that’s something that, that I can’t stop seeing and I see it as the careful shepherding really, you know. One thing, then the next thing. One step. Next step. Little grass here. Little water here. It’s, it’s not too much. It doesn’t overwhelm to the point where that’s all you can see, is how overwhelmed you are. And I’m very cognizant of that in, in my own life. And I think what’s amazing about both the Words that Move Mountains, so the discipline of proclamation. I’ll call it that, because it’s a choice to have it become a practice, to have it become something that you literally do the same way you pray, the same way you read the Bible, to add this, this very powerful element which we were made to do, you know. And then with the CD of the Month, The End Time Hope, I, I just, you know, that was one that at first I was in danger of being overwhelmed. But because it’s broken down in these scriptures, because it’s broken down in these steps, it’s literally Him taking me by the hand and saying, “One at a time.” Or as Martha likes to say… I never know which way it is but I love her way saying, “One at the time!” (Laughs) Which is, it’s a small thing but I love it. And, you know, and for Him just laying it out. “Is there a danger? Yes, there’s a danger. Is there a cost? Yes, there’s a cost. Have I given you everything? Yes, yes I have. Let Me remind you of just how much I’ve taken care of all of it. I’m being up front with you about the good, the bad, the ugly – all of it.” And, and that has been just such a gift. Just such a gift. And…

Well, I found this so I’m gonna go ahead and, and read it. We were in Philippians because John had a verse there. It’s a fantastic verse. And then I glanced down a little further. And Philippians is Paul, yes? It’s Paul. Philippians is Paul. And, so he’s talking, starting in verse twelve [of Chapter 3], he’s basically saying, you know, “I haven’t, you know, I’m not saying I’ve already reached the goal. I’m not saying I’m fully mature,” which is kind of funny coming from the Apostle Paul (laughing). “I’ve only written half the Bible. You know, no biggie, I’m not there yet.” Oh dear! And he says, you know, “I make every effort to take hold of it because I also have been taken hold of by Christ Jesus.” And then he repeats it. “Brothers I do not consider myself to have taken hold of it.” Meaning I haven’t, I don’t have all this. I don’t have everything. He says, “But one thing I do: forgetting what is behind and reaching forward to what is ahead.”

And He’s really been moving me through a lot of that in my life right now. And the CD of the Month, The End Time Hope, is really what it does. My danger of being overwhelmed was because I was looking behind and I was saying, “She’s not going to be able to do that,” you know. And that’s neither here nor there. It doesn’t matter. “Of course not! Okay, and?” Because it is not mine to look behind. And Paul says, “This one thing I do” and that really spoke to me, because to me that was him saying, “This is something I have to do.” And knowing a little bit of Paul’s life, I can see that. I can see where you would have to forget the past and look to what’s ahead, to leave behind him who he was so that he could, you know, pursue as his goal the prize promised by God’s heavenly call in Christ Jesus. And in so many ways, The End Time Hope – that’s what the hope is. It’s not about what you were, who you’ve been, where you’ve been, what you’ve done. Who do you belong to now? Let go, let go of that! Forget it! Reach forward, move forward, step forward. That’s it and here are the keys to do it. It’s just so beautiful and perfect and simple.

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The power of proclamation gleaned in Kenyon’s Words that Move Mountains led Martha to a revelation of The End Time Hope, February’s Message of the Month. Like climbing a ladder, the Holy Spirit moves us from one rung to the next, preparing us for what comes next.

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Working Out Salvation in Deliberate Choices – Episode #636 https://shulamitepodcast.com/working-out-salvation-deliberate-choices/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=working-out-salvation-deliberate-choices Sat, 09 Feb 2019 10:00:53 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=4939 https://shulamitepodcast.com/working-out-salvation-deliberate-choices/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/working-out-salvation-deliberate-choices/feed/ 4 <p>Working Out Salvation in Deliberate Choices Episode #636 2-10-19 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow Special guest: Joan Wentzel This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #632 The Lord calls us to “work out your own salvation in fear and trembling.” And no small part of doing that is grappling with […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/working-out-salvation-deliberate-choices/">Working Out Salvation in Deliberate Choices – Episode #636</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> Working Out Salvation in Deliberate Choices
Episode #636
2-10-19

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special guest: Joan Wentzel

This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #632
The Lord calls us to “work out your own salvation in fear and trembling.” And no small part of doing that is grappling with your life and making choices.

Martha:
The Lord said, “Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling.”

John:
Right.

Martha:
Because it is so serious. I said it on the first tape about our salvation. It’s a responsibility to be born again. It is such a huge gift but it is also enormous responsibility to, to live it out.

John:
Was that from So Great a Salvation?

Martha:
Yes!

John:
That was amazing. And it is, it’s a tremendous responsibility and the repercussions and the consequences of that or taking it up or not taking it up are so huge.

Martha:
And in Moses’ challenge it had to do with your descendants.

John:
Oh, gosh!

Martha:
“Choose this day life for you and your descendants.” And that doesn’t mean children. It means grandchildren, great grandchildren, great-great grandchildren on down the generations.

John:
Well, think about how many people are out there that are really fighting against the choices of their…

Martha:
Yes! Forefathers.

John:
Forefathers. I mean it makes it difficult.

Martha:
Yes.

John:
It, it’s like binding your feet and you have to overcome things that have been handed down to you.

Martha:
That’s right, John. That’s a good point.

John:
And so, you know, you know we’re supposed to sling our children forward to give them a…

Martha:
To be better than…

John:
…better than us, a leg up, you know. And if I’m not dealing with my choices with God, I’m literally tying their feet.

Martha:
Yeah. And I think, too, it’s… A young precious believer told me not long ago, “Martha, you have disciples you know nothing about.” And I think when we, when we have a witness and a message and a testimony that’s available, we really don’t know. So if… My life will affect them, because my life choice – of life, “then choose the words from God” – and it is an inheritance for whoever listens.

John:
Well, absolutely! And, and, you know, it says that the heritage is not from blood or choice, you know, of man. You know, it’s not because I was born into that. I can come in and I can have your forerunner ministry in my life. And say my parents didn’t make those choices and made bad choices, because I’m in the kingdom of God and because I’m a child of God I can come in and…

Martha:
Right.

John:
…your choices can free my…

Martha:
Right.

John:
and make it a forerunner.

Martha:
And even in working with people privately…

John:
Yep.

Martha:
You can… It affects everything in your life whether you’ve chosen life or death. It affects all of your choices beyond that one choice.

John:
Right.

Joan:
It takes you to the sovereignty of God. Choosing life takes you to the God is sovereign over your life. And it’s, it’s choosing a yes to His sovereignty.

John:
Yeah.

Joan:
To choose life is to say, “Yes, You are sovereign. I will agree. Not just with the word but with the life You have given me.”

John:
Wow! Yeah, wow. That’s really wow!

Martha:
I choose my life.

Joan:
I choose my life. I want to live the life You have given me and only, I feel like, by choosing life is that a yes to the sovereignty. Because to say no to life is really saying no to my life and to You, God, as God over my life.

John:
Oh, yeah.

Martha:
Wow. Amen, Joan.

Joan:
But in saying that, that’s not to say we’re not going to struggle and grapple with our lives and that God allows for no humanity. That’s, that’s to, to take the information and misdirect it. God is so patient with our bungling, bumbling.

Martha:
He knoweth we are dust.

Joan:
He knows we are dust.

John:
Yeah, thank God.

Joan:
And so it’s not to say, “Well, I’m just going to make this blanket statement of ‘I’m just gonna say yes.’” It’s to really get down and grapple with it but at the end of day, “I want to live the life You’ve given me.” And then He takes it from there. He, He just, He’s so big, He just, He takes over that choice.

Martha:
I think of this always, that when the Lord called me to write and made it very clear, I didn’t want to do that with all my being. It was the last thing. “I will go to Africa. I will go to Guatemala. Don’t ask me to write.” But I was so afraid that I would walk my way out of it that I got on a plane and went to Dallas to a seminar. I determined to say, “I will write” even though I knew I couldn’t (and I couldn’t). It was an act of my will to say yes and then He met me with every provision and taught me that He could write. He wasn’t asking me to write. He was asking me to choose to live that out.

So it’s, you can say yes to what you really don’t want to do and He will pick you up and by the time I came home from Dallas I was on the track, ready to go.

Wow! I looked down and here is Psalms 39:1. “I will watch my ways and keep my tongue from sin. I will put a muzzle on my mouth as long as the wicked are in my presence.”

I think it’s Psalm 101 where David makes statements of his choices. They are incredible statements he has grappled out, Joan. He’s grappled with this and he has decided how he’s going to live and what he’s going to do with his life in accordance with God’s character. “I will sing of Your love and justice. To You, O Lord, I will praise. I will be careful to lead a blameless life. I will walk in my house with a blameless heart. I will set before my eyes no vile thing. I will have nothing to do with evil. Whoever slanders his neighbor in secret him will I put to silence. I will not endure whoever has haughty eyes. My eyes will be on the faithful of the land. Every morning I will put to silence all the wicked in the land. I will cut off every evil doer from the city of the Lord.” Those are enormous! And he did it. It’s obvious he did it. He wrote many songs of love for his – and justice – for the Lord. He did come to a blameless heart. It wasn’t an easy or sinless route but he did it because first he chose it. And the Lord pointed out to me one time, “Ok, Martha, you do this. You make these commitments, make these choices.” I choose what I will listen to and what I will not listen to. And who! I choose who I will listen to.

Joan:
And our choices are so basic. They are as simple as yes and no. It’s not something huge and big and…

Martha:
Complicated.

Joan:
Complicated. It is yes or no!

Martha:
And we do make it.

Joan:
And we do make it.

Martha:
We do say! I’m going to ask that all of you who are listening help us. Show us what you’ve learned. Write us a comment of your choices and let’s make this ongoing conversation. This is, I believe this and the issue of love are my directions for the year. I want to move mountains with His words. And so we’ll be telling stories about amazing things I’m confident.

John:
It’s our choice.

(They laugh.)

Working Out Salvation in Deliberate Choices – Episode #636 – Shulamite Podcast

The Lord calls us to “work out your own salvation in fear and trembling.” And no small part of doing that is grappling with your life and making choices. Like David in Psalm 101, we make deliberate choices that affect every aspect of the life God gave us.

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Agreeing with the Word is Our Choice – Episode #635 https://shulamitepodcast.com/agreeing-word-choice/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=agreeing-word-choice Sat, 02 Feb 2019 10:00:43 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=4924 https://shulamitepodcast.com/agreeing-word-choice/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/agreeing-word-choice/feed/ 1 <p>Agreeing with the Word is Our Choice Episode #635 2-3-19 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow Special guest: Joan Wentzel This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #632 We have a choice whether or not we agree with the Word of God, but do we see it that way? Our walk […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/agreeing-word-choice/">Agreeing with the Word is Our Choice – Episode #635</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> Agreeing with the Word is Our Choice
Episode #635
2-3-19

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special guest: Joan Wentzel

This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #632
We have a choice whether or not we agree with the Word of God, but do we see it that way? Our walk with God depends on our choice to agree with Him or not.

John:
You just put some highlights in this book (Words That Move Mountains); a couple of them. And if you string them together as one sentence, it’s amazing. “Can two walk together except they are agreed? If you want to walk with Me, God, you must agree with Me.” And then it says, “Ask for forgiveness for my failure to agree with Him and His word.” And I just was thinking, you know, Enoch walked with God and he agreed with Him.

And so all of this proclamation and affirmations and agreeing, it’s all, that’s where your choices are based. This is where your choices are based is your agreement with God and His word. And that does make it incredibly easy and it makes it incredibly relational and, and you always say, “I go back to that,” because it is that. It’s relational that, “Here, I want to show you!” It’s not like He’s, He’s hiding the choices. He’s not, He’s not, He’s not withholding them from you. There’s our accusation of Him that He’s withholding. He doesn’t withhold them. He wants you to see the choices, He wants you to make the choices because He wants you to be free. It’s not… That’s the whole thing where you think that, “This is too hard, God’s made it too hard, my life is too hard, my circumstances are too hard, my, my circumstances are impossible.” But He’s like saying, “I’ve laid out your circumstances but I also laid out every single thing that you need to choose to overcome and be liberated from whatever. So walk in agreement with Me.” And I’m like saying, “Golly!” I’m real excited about where we’re going with this. I really am!

Martha:
Well, I want to say the title of the book again. It’s a little book.

John:
The book and I’m hoping that we’re gonna carry this one. We’ve been kind of touching on it back and forth but I’m hoping we’re gonna carry this one and I’d like to be able to do a deep discount on it, but we’re kind of losing our discounts with this publisher. But… Words That Move Mountains by E.W. Kenyon and Don Gossett. And you can go to LivingChristianBooks.com and see if we, we’ve carried that one. And, or it’ll be in the transcript where you can get it. And I’m hoping to be able to do it. It’s just a small book but it’s so powerful. And really, I have been bobbling on the first nineteen pages back and forth and really, actually the first probably ten pages is the beginning.

Martha:
Me too, John. I can’t go much further. It’s just so wonderful.

John:
Right! It’s like ten pages I’ve been just going back and forth on and I’ve been looking at it and I’ve been and digging into the scriptures that he’s giving and I’m going, “Oh my gosh! Yeah!” I mean Enoch is one of my big huge heroes. God has made him one of my big heroes of the faith and for, to see that he agreed and walked God because he agreed with Him and that really was Enoch’s choice to agree with God.

Martha:
It says in the New Testament that he, he had faith and he pleased God. This testimony about him was that he pleased God. And he walked with God. In other words, where God went he went.

John:
Right.

Martha:
He chose to go where God went. And so he was raptured. There’s big secrets of the rapture in Enoch.

John:
But in then, but it said in Amos 3:3, it says, “cannot walk unless the two are agreed.” So that’s, that’s how he walked with God by agreeing with God. I don’t know, I’m, that’s just where I’m at. I think it’s really cool.

Martha:
It is really cool. I want everybody to have it and know it.

John:
Well, I mean, He shows you the choices. He shows you what you are to agree with.

Martha:
You don’t need the book to know that He’s, He’s going to give you the choices and the word.

John:
Yes.

Martha:
“If Your words…” “If you dwell in Me and My words dwell in you, you can ask whatever you want and it shall be done for you.” So it’s, it’s really a matter of proclaiming, affirming the word.

John:
Right, right.

Martha:
So this is an exciting new venture to the new year.

John:
It’s not an incantation or a mantra. You know what I mean? It’s not like you’re doing some…

Martha:
Right! John, thank you.

John:
Some magic potion.

Martha:
Magic, right. No!

John:
It literally is agreeing with the word…

Martha:
With the Word of God, um hmm.

John:
…which is Christ.

Martha:
And the word which the Spirit gives you.

John:
That’s it! Yeah and you can’t go, go just pick and choose and say, “Oh well, this, I, I like this it says that, you know, ‘I’m going to go take over the mountain!’ And then you go say, ‘I’m going to take over this mountain.’ No! The, the… No! That’s not the way it works.

Martha:
It originates with God.

John:
It has to originate from the Source.

Martha:
This is another choice in 1 Kings 18. Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions.” See, I believe the prophetic office or the pastor’s preaching, all of that, all that verbal stuff that we, we give out is to provoke a choice, is to reveal a choice to raise, to raise the desire for the right choice. And that every successful message is going to either make you hungry to choose or provoke you to choose or show you that you have to choose.

John:
Well, Jennifer told me the other day about your writings and mine, actually, that that is exactly what they do. They provoke a choice.

Martha:
Really?

John:
Yeah, I mean, you know some people are… I’m not a teacher. And really you’re not a real teacher. You have a different mantle on you. You know, you do teach but I, I wouldn’t consider you a teacher of the Word. You have a prophetic end to your word where it, it calls forth a decision. And He even told you that that’s who you are. You are decision (laughs).

Martha:
(Laughs) Yeah, yeah.

John:
And, and I kind of feel like I’ve, I’ve kind of come under that mantle, that my stuff… I was asking her, you know, about the, the book on sovereignty that’s about to come – The Sovereign Touch. And I was asking her about that book and I said, “What is the takeaway from it? You know, what, what is it… Because I don’t… It’s not like it’s giving you a method to, you know… Some books, you know, you get a 1-2-3 method and you can, you can take that away and you can go apply that into your life…

Martha:
Work it.

John:
…and work it, yeah, the life application of it. And, but, what is, what is the takeaway of this? And she says very similar to what Martha… It’s a decision; it’s a choice.

Martha:
You reveal the choice.

John:
Yeah.

Martha:
You expose the choice.

John:
Yes.

Martha:
You make it clear what the choice is…

John:
Yes.

Martha:
…in that book.

John:
Well and that, and think about your The Mystery of Discipleship devotional. That entire thing is literally choice after choice. It literally walks you through the choices.

Martha:
It gives you the choices so you know what to make.

John:
What to make, to make, be a disciple. I mean, if you want the mystery of discipleship, that is laying out discipleship in a, in a ninety-one day devotional.

Martha:
In ninety-one choices.

John:
Exactly! And, so but Adoration, Chariot of Fire, All and Only, even Altogether Forgiven, all of your booklets, all of them bring me to the stage of making a choice, where I have to choose one way or the other.

Martha:
And if I read it, I am confronted with that and I cannot escape it.

John:
Right.

Martha:
And so I will have, I will have made a choice…

John:
Yeah.

Martha:
…in response to it, even if I ignore it like Martha did. But that’s the most crucial thing to know because if your life lives or dies, rises or falls, goes to life or to death by your choices, then is that not?

John:
It’s the biggest service that you could do for somebody to give them that.

Martha:
Is to show them the choice, that there is one.

John:
I mean, if you give me a 1-2-3 method of things that I can apply to my life and I can do things, but I don’t make any choices, that’s horrible.

Martha:
And that’s why the, the Lord said, “Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling.”

John:
Right.

Martha:
…because it is so serious. It’s… I said it on the first tape about our inheritance, our salvation, rather (So Great a Salvation). It’s a responsibility to be born again. It is such a huge gift but it is also enormous responsibility to live it out.

John:
Was that from So Great a Salvation?

Martha:
Yes.

John:
It was amazing. And it is, it’s a, it’s a tremendous responsibility and the, the repercussions and the consequences of that, or taking it up or not taking it up, are so huge.

Agreeing with the Word is Our Choice – Episode #635 – Shulamite Podcast

We have a choice whether or not we agree with the Word of God, but do we see it that way? In Enoch we see the power and favor that falls on the one who walks with Him in agreement. Our walk with God depends on our choice to agree with Him or not.

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We have a choice whether or not we agree with the Word of God, but do we see it that way? Our walk with God depends on our choice to agree with Him or not. We have a choice whether or not we agree with the Word of God, but do we see it that way? In Enoch we see the power and favor that falls on the one who walks with Him in agreement. Our walk with God depends on our choice to agree with Him or not. Shulamite Ministries clean 10:18
Heaven and Earth Witness Our Choices – Episode #634 https://shulamitepodcast.com/heaven-and-earth-witness-choices/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=heaven-and-earth-witness-choices Sat, 26 Jan 2019 10:00:28 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=4920 https://shulamitepodcast.com/heaven-and-earth-witness-choices/#respond https://shulamitepodcast.com/heaven-and-earth-witness-choices/feed/ 0 <p>Heaven and Earth Witness Our Choices Episode #634 1-27-2019 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow Special guest: Joan Wentzel This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #632 Heaven and earth are called to witness our choices and they do! And once our choice is made, God moves heaven and earth to […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/heaven-and-earth-witness-choices/">Heaven and Earth Witness Our Choices – Episode #634</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> Heaven and Earth Witness Our Choices
Episode #634
1-27-2019

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special guest: Joan Wentzel

This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #632
Heaven and earth are called to witness our choices and they do! And once our choice is made, God moves heaven and earth to support that very choice.

Martha:
This is Psalm 23, the last two verses. “So why would I fear the future? For your goodness and love pursue me all the days of my life.” That is profound! “Then afterward, when my life is through, I’ll return to your glorious presence to be forever with you!” It says, “So why should I fear the future?” He is pursuing us to the last breath to help us choose Him. Imagine!

John:
I didn’t even really realize when I was driving that, that was what was going on. It just was going on.

Martha:
Well, you do it all the time. That’s one reason.

John:
Well, it’s pretty amazing. It just… It literally was so natural. But I realize that there was a choice that was being made. That I wasn’t really… I wasn’t thinking about that. It just all of a sudden came up and I was like going, “Oh, yeah, well, that’s, that is my choice.” So He was leading me like a Shepherd in my thoughts.

Martha:
Patting you along.

John:
Absolutely! Here, make this choice. Oh, okay that’s the choice and it is little choices. It’s little choices that, you know… There are the monumental choices, the big yes or whatever. But then there’s tons of little pat, pat, pat, pat to get us there. So…

Martha:
To choose what He chooses.

John:
It’s so natural and it’s so, so precious. It’s, it’s loving!

Martha:
I was about to say it’s loving. It’s His presence. So it’s the third day of the New Year. So it’s a good time to talk about choices.

John:
Yeah, because we’re going into 2019 and, and this is…

Martha:
And we’re reading this book by E.W. Kenyon and Don Gossett, Words that Move Mountains and really he’s teaching us to speak words that are our choice of what to believe. Even believing is a choice.

John:
Yes, absolutely.

Martha:
It begins— Everything spiritual begins with a choice.

John:
Right.

Martha:
And it can grow to a want and a desire and a passion but it has to begin with a choice. And so in these statements we’ve decided to draw up our own proclamation, affirmation of what we believe; what is, what is true, and…

John:
About our individual lives, about our individual circumstance. Not just like the statement of faith. We’re talking about individual, I’m, you know, about sickness, about, you know, whatever. This is what the Word says and this is what I am believing.

Martha:
And it’s so encouraging because this writer says that your affirmation spoken somehow produces the faith. When you affirm your belief aloud it establishes that in you and for you. And it’s heaven and earth witnessing your choices.

John:
Right. Exactly.

Martha:
And heaven and earth supporting.

Joan:
And God in His loving kindness knows there is honestly nothing else we can do. We want to believe that I can do something, I can affect something, I can change something, I have power. Honestly we want to believe we have a power. God knows that we are frail children of dust and we’re as feeble as we are frail and we have one ability and that is to choose.

Martha:

That’s right. Oh, Joan, praise the Lord! That’s it! That is it. Thank you. We can’t do anything but choose and if we don’t choose, we’ve lost everything. It’s not New Years resolutions of what I’m going to do differently this year. No, no, no! It’s nothing remotely connected to New Years resolutions. It’s, “This is what I will believe. This is what I choose.” And He will do the changing. He will effect the changes. He will effect the disciplines. The difference between choice and doing and that’s the division that’s so difficult for us to make. We believe if I don’t love God but if I say I’m going to love God or choose to love God then I’m just a liar. No, no, no, that’s…  It’s a matter of the will. It’s not a matter of truth or error. If I’m supposed to love God, I can choose to love God and He will make that happen. He will make that come into being His own self.

John:
It’s says, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind.” You say, “I choose to love the Lord with all my heart, soul, and mind.” It doesn’t matter if I don’t feel love right now. It doesn’t matter if circumstantially I’m not in a loving place. The word says Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind and I choose…

Martha:
I choose!

John:
to love the Lord with all my heart, soul, and mind.

Joan:
And one thing I’ve learned is the “I will” has a prophetic part to it. You don’t just… You say it in the now but God carries it out. God’s the one who carries it out. So it’s a prophetic word. “I will love You, Lord,” means, He… “I will let You do the loving through me.” It becomes prophetic because He’s, He’s given it as a command and He doesn’t do that to, you know…

Martha:
To leave us!

Joan:
To leave us there. There’s a prophetic. There’s a whole prophetic thing to speaking it out. Means, “Ok, Lord, I have chosen this with You and You are the power, not me. I’m the choice.”

Martha:
He’s not asking you to do or be something.

Joan:
He’s not asking you to do.

Martha:
He’s simply asking you to choose. So you see, we are without excuse. That’s brilliant, Joan. I never thought of that that the choice is actually a prophecy. Of course, it is.

John:
That it’s an agreement with His word and then it’s prophetic.

Martha:
And so it has to come. It has to be.

John:
If you realize that all you have to do is agree with the word and speak it and then He does it, that’s, it’s phenomenal.

Martha:
It’s so easy.

Joan:
That, that’s it, John. You just laid it out in the simplicity, the beautiful simplicity. God gives it, we choose, we agree, He does the working out. He never asks us to do the work. That’s the Cain in us that wants to produce something, that wants to bring a work of our hands.

Martha:
To earn it.

Joan:
To earn it. “I want to have a part of it. Let me be part of it, God. I’ll partner with You. I’m happy to partner with You. But, but I need some credit here!” (Laughter) And He says, “No, no, you’re not capable.”

Martha:
No one will share His glory.

Joan:
No one will share His glory.

Martha:
And if you want to boast, boast in Him. I don’t think we understand, too, that… Suppose you have something you need to give up, that you know you have to give up and you can’t give it up. But you can say, “I choose to give it up. I choose to renounce it. I choose to be rid of it. I choose it to die.” And that… God picks that up. Heaven and earth are witness to your choices. And heaven and earth will support whichever way you choose.

John:
You’re talking about a word, you know, like this book. You’re talking about words that move the mountain. You are making that choice. You’re going according to what He says, what the word says and you’re saying, “This is what You have set as a standard for all of us to live by. This is Your standard and I am agreeing with that standard and I’m choosing that standard and it must be done.” It must be done.

Martha:
That is… If we could see on the other side, we would see the heavens shift according to our choices to obey God. And we would see enormous angelic activity to support our choice. What do the angels minister to us for? To support our choices for God. And you know the word “if” is in so much; if you will do so and so. And the word “if” means that you have a choice and you must choose. “If any man will follow Me he will lose all his possessions.” If means you have a choice. Are you willing to loose everything for Him? That choice has to be made or you are not His disciple. So it’s so simple. You did say it simply, John. I want to write it down when I listen to the tape.

John:
I’m gonna go write it down when I listen to the tape (laughs).

Joan:
That raises a question, Martha. Does my choice then release His creative power?

Martha:
Yes.

Joan:
Release His ‘let’. Because His ‘let’ is creative. But it requires my choice. So is that when I make a choice, I release His creative power, not mine. I can do nothing but my choice releases Him to come in and do what I can’t do.

Martha:
Exactly! He will create what we’ve chosen. And we don’t have to. We’re children. We’re sheep. All we can do is choose. That’s it. You’re right, Joan. That’s beautiful. Oh, Glory! So glad you’re here (laughs).

Heaven and Earth Witness Our Choices – Episode #634 – Shulamite Podcast

Heaven and earth are called to witness our choices and they do! And once our choice is made, God moves heaven and earth to support that choice. A sobering thought depending on how we’ve chosen! God’s is the power to do and ours is the power to choose.

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Heaven and earth are called to witness our choices and they do! And once our choice is made, God moves heaven and earth to support that very choice. Heaven and earth are called to witness our choices and they do! And once our choice is made, God moves heaven and earth to support that choice. A sobering thought depending on how we've chosen! God's is the power to do and ours is the power to choose. Shulamite Ministries clean 11:05
We Are Choosing All Day Long – Episode #633 https://shulamitepodcast.com/choosing-all-day-long/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=choosing-all-day-long Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:00:30 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=4916 https://shulamitepodcast.com/choosing-all-day-long/#respond https://shulamitepodcast.com/choosing-all-day-long/feed/ 0 <p>We Are Choosing All Day Long Episode #633 1-20-19 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow Special guest: Joan Wentzel This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #632 When God calls us to choose, He’s not asking us to do something difficult. Choosing is His gift to us in free will, and […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/choosing-all-day-long/">We Are Choosing All Day Long – Episode #633</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> We Are Choosing All Day Long
Episode #633
1-20-19

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special guest: Joan Wentzel

This is the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #632
When God calls us to choose, He’s not asking us to do something difficult. Choosing is His gift to us in free will, and we know how to do it very well!

Joan:
I think it’s real easy to make choice difficult because we’re, we are so unaware that we choose every single moment. I choose this moment what I’m listening to. I choose what I’m thinking about. And we act as if we don’t. We act as if when God calls us to choice it’s some big thing. We make it hard simply because we don’t want to do it.

John:
It becomes real clear. Yeah!

Joan:
Yes! I can make any… I can make anything hard. And yet we’re choosing. Every single minute… I’m choosing to… Whatever I’m doing I have made a choice to do. Whatever I’m thinking about I’ve made a choice to let those thoughts in, to brood on them, to go down that path. I, I choose constantly.

Martha:
Well, I see with new force where Moses said, “I call heaven and earth to witness against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse.” And then he tells them what to choose. “Choose life so you will live; you and your descendants.” But it’s… Heaven and earth witnesses to our choice and I can tell you God supports our choice. He has given it. He will not retract it. He will not violate it. He will put us in a corner where we see the choice. But He will never make the choice.

John:
He reverences our free will.

Martha:
Exactly!

John:
It’s a reverence.

Martha:
It’s a reverence.

John:
Because He gave it to us.

Martha:
It’s sacred.

John:
It’s sacred. It’s a reverence. And it’s about love. And so He can’t… He, He, if He forced it on us, He would be forcing love, which isn’t love. Servitude. That’s gross! If your, if your wife is a slave, that’s not about love.

Joan:
No, and I remember Martha saying years ago that God will move all of heaven and earth based on your choice. And yet we still say, “I don’t know what to do!” I’ll tell you, I’ll say that’s, that’s through my victim words. “I don’t know what to do. I can’t do it. It’s too hard.”

Martha:
“There is nothing I can choose.”

John:
Yeah, yeah.

Martha:
And the interesting thing is God responds to us according to our choice. I’ve said to people at times, “You have come to this suffering because somewhere you chose the Lord.” And I know that when I am in suffering I cannot say to Him, “How unfair!” I know that I have chosen a pathway that requires chastening and cleansing. And so I can’t, I can’t object to where He takes me because I’ve said, “Whatever it takes, Lord. Just get me, get me to be there in the end with You.” So God responds to us. He responds to our choice.

John:
The enemy’s whole goal is just to make it look like it’s difficult and impossible. It’s not only difficult, it’s impossible. And as long as we’re snowed under the, the “it’s impossible” he wins. And, you know, I mean we get what we want anyway. We’re, you know, if we’re, we’re making those choices according to what we want and making excuses. But he does, he does snow us under.

Martha:
But all He needs from us is the choice. The performance, the process, everything else He will undertake. All He wants from us is to choose. And it’s Joshua 24:15 “If it’s disagreeable in your sight to serve the Lord, choose this day who you will serve whether the gods which your fathers served on the river or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you were living. But as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.”

So you don’t, you don’t have to love the Lord but you have to choose to love the Lord. You don’t have to follow the Lord but you have to choose to follow the Lord before you will ever follow.

And I saw this in studying for writing Adoration about Mary and Martha. Jesus defended Mary by the ground of her choice. “Martha, Martha, you are concerned about many things but only one thing is necessary. For Mary has chosen the good part which shall not be taken from her.” And the new Passion Translation that we’re so into:  “Mary has discovered the one thing most important by choosing to sit at My feet. She is undistracted, and I won’t take this privilege from her.” So that story brings about the basic; as Joan said, it’s basic and it’s primal.

Then I remembered Proverbs 1, in the first chapter of Proverbs. Oh my! “Then they will call on me, but I will not answer;” Oh my goodness! “They will seek me diligently but they will not find me, because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the Lord.” The bottom line of the problem with that where God doesn’t answer is you have to choose the fear of the Lord. “They would not accept my counsel, they spurned all my reproof. So they shall eat of the fruit of their own way and be satiated with their own devices.
For the waywardness of the naive will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them. But he who listens to me (which is a choice) shall live securely and shall be at ease from the dread of evil.”

It really is a choice between life and death.

John:
Absolutely, yeah.

Martha:
The result of your choice is either life or death.

John:
Well, Martha was making a big choice. Martha was choosing the many, the many things. She was choosing…

Martha:
Everything!

John:
…to prove to— Everything else. She was choosing to, to do her service for the people. She was choosing. She had made a choice.

Martha:
She had made a choice not to be with Jesus.

John:
Right! To serve Him and not be with Him.

Martha:
Right. Exactly.

John:
It’s not like she was against Him, so to, so to speak. She was serving Him. Trying to feed Him. Trying to make sure all the people were happy and everything like that; whatever she was doing. And so she did make a choice.

Martha:
Um hmm. Most definitely!

John:
And work often seems like a good choice because it seems good.

John:
Yeah, yeah.

Joan:
Yet Jesus didn’t say that.

John:
Right. (Laughing) Right.

Martha:
Wish I’d put that in the book, Joan (laughs).

John:
You said on the notes that you have here, not to choose is not safe.

Martha:
You can’t avoid it.

John:
Well, you’re not, you’re not in a place of safety. If I don’t choose… You know, sometimes you can delude yourself to think that if I don’t choose then I’m ok and everything. Yeah, I’m hidden over here in this, this little spot.

Martha:
God doesn’t know me!

John:
Yeah! But that’s, that’s… You say not to choose is to choose no. So you are making that choice. So your, your no choice or your choice…

Martha:
Passive.

John:
…not to make a choice and your passive choice, yeah, is not a safe thing because it literally pushes you straight into the no camp.

Martha:
Good point!

Joan:
What I can say for myself is somewhere in us we always know. We can’t… I tried to get by for years, “Well, I just didn’t know.” No, we always know deep inside us. There is a place we know that we have said yes or we have said no and in time, we just live it out.  In my life my no very much lived out in terrible, terrible ways, to not only to myself but to everyone I loved and everyone in my path. And yet God is so gracious because again He brings you back to choose. Even the no can be turned to a yes. He is so gracious.

Martha:
And long suffering.

Joan:
And long suffering.

Martha:
He waits. He waits to bless us. He longs to bless us. And even in Deuteronomy is this tremendous foundational thing here. In 28 is the obedience blessing and 29 is the disobedience curse. Then He says to Israel, “If you experience all these blessings and then you forget the Lord and you wander away, just come back and He will give you more than you had at the beginning.” If you choose Him! That’s all we have to do. Just choose! And He will respond with outlandish grace even though we’ve gone the wrong way.

And you’re right, Joan. He’s ever so willing. He still wants to give to us life in all its aspects. He’s just amazing.

Joan:
He doesn’t want death for anyone. But in giving us free will He has given us the choice. But He wants life for us. He will… I have seen Him just extend such mercy and grace to me so outlandish I can’t even describe it because He wanted me to live more than I wanted to live.

John:
There you go. That’s it!

Martha:
And His want overcame your want.

Joan:
Yes!

Martha:
And that’s, I think that’s… Also I’ve seen recently it’s our job to pray for people who choose death. Sometimes people choose death and think they’re choosing Christ. That’s how deceived and deluded we can be. There’s a verse that says, “God will choose your delusion if you want that.” But He will also pursue us to an amazing degree. We can treat Him badly and scorn Him and He will still… He’s still there. He’s still there.

We Are Choosing All Day Long – Episode #633 – Shulamite Podcast

We are always choosing. We choose all the time, all day long. We choose who we listen to and who we talk to and who we read and what we do. When God calls us to choose, He’s not asking us to do something difficult. Choosing is His gift to us, and we know how!

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When God calls us to choose, He's not asking us to do something difficult. Choosing is His gift to us in free will, and we know how to do it very well! We are always choosing. We choose all the time, all day long. We choose who we listen to and who we talk to and who we read and what we do. When God calls us to choose, He's not asking us to do something difficult. Choosing is His gift to us, and we know how! Shulamite Ministries clean 11:13
Choose Life or Choose Death – Episode #632 https://shulamitepodcast.com/choose-life-death/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=choose-life-death Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:00:46 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=4908 https://shulamitepodcast.com/choose-life-death/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/choose-life-death/feed/ 1 <p>Choose Life or Choose Death Episode #632 1-13-19 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow Special guest: Joan Wentzel In Deuteronomy, God calls on the Israelites to make a choice that day: Choose life or choose death. He didn’t say, “Choose God.” He said, “Choose LIFE.” Why? John: We’re coming to you from Suches, Georgia and it’s […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/choose-life-death/">Choose Life or Choose Death – Episode #632</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> Choose Life or Choose Death
Episode #632
1-13-19

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special guest: Joan Wentzel

In Deuteronomy, God calls on the Israelites to make a choice that day: Choose life or choose death. He didn’t say, “Choose God.” He said, “Choose LIFE.” Why?

John:
We’re coming to you from Suches, Georgia and it’s nice and chilly and yucky and wet outside. We are awaiting the spring to be sending the flowers.

But we have Joan Wentzel today here with us. Martha and I are needing to do a podcast and Martha’s got a burn on, on a subject and we really want to go into it. We’ve been talking about it a little bit earlier and all of a sudden we’re like, “Wow, let’s do a podcast on this.” So tell me, Martha, what’s your burn on?

Martha:
I started with a prayer. I had four people on my heart. Four people who are failing, crashing in their spiritual life and I was so troubled about it. I said, “God, what is the problem?” And He answered me very clearly, “They have never chosen.” And so I assumed that He meant they’d never chosen Him. And I was telling Joan about it today and Joan…  I said, “I, I suddenly think it may not be a choice of Him.” And Joan said…

Joan:
I said, “Well, according to Deuteronomy we have to choose life. It doesn’t say choose God. It just says choose life that you may live.”

Martha:
So it’s far more primal, the choice is far more primal than to choose God. But there has to be some choices made before you choose God, I think.

This is Deuteronomy where Moses is giving that challenge. And first he is, in chapter 28, he has listed the blessings of obedience to His voice. Chapter 29 is the consequences of failing to hear His voice. Then in 30 he’s gone to both sides. “If you obey, you have all these wonderful things. Everything you do will prosper.”

John:
And the stark reality. It’s really a stark reality!

Martha:
It’s stark! Yes, that’s true. So then in chapter 30 He says, “Okay,” before all these people, “This command I’m giving you today is not too difficult for you and not beyond your reach. Now listen, today I’m giving you a choice between life and death, between prosperity and disaster. For I command you this day to love the Lord your God, keep His ways. But if your heart turns away and you refuse to listen and you’re drawn to serve and worship other gods, then I warn you that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live a long good life in the land you’re crossing. Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessing and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you made. Oh that you would choose life so that you and your descendants might live. You can make this choice by loving the Lord.”

So the best thing that you can do as a heritage for your children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and the descendants that follow you is to choose life. And I think you’re so right, Joan. The chose is between life or death.

Joan:
And I’ll be very honest and say I have lived as a victim and believed that God was not good to me. My life was hard, too hard. And as the Lord is bringing me out what I realize is as a victim, you really don’t believe in choice. You don’t even want to choose. What you really want is for the situation to change and you want control and power over the controller of the situation, which, of course, ultimately is God.

Martha:
And to want control is Satan.

Joan:
Yes.

Martha:
So the primal issue of our choice is life or death.

Joan:
And I think only when you’re willing to make the choice to live, I’ll say this for me personally, do you want to live. As a victim you truly don’t want to live. Death is very comfortable; it feels normal. But the truth is until you choose life, you won’t live to make other choices.

Martha:
Every choice is predicated on that very one. Is that what you’re saying?

Joan:
Yes, yes!

Martha:
Everything comes from that primal choice.

You reminded me that today, I hadn’t gone to it, John, to read the devotional of the day. (ReadMK.com, The Power of Obedience devotional series, #132 What Delights God?)

“Obedience is consent of the will. I will do Your will, Lord, even if I don’t want to. This satisfies God. Surrender is agreement of the heart. ‘Whatever pleases You, Lord, pleases me.’”

So the issue is choice. It doesn’t matter…  Your will is not what you want to do or would rather do. Your choice is what you will do and what you will choose. You choose life then you can choose all the other choices that relate to life. If you choose not to choose, you’ve chosen death.

I know I’ve told a little bit about this before a number of times. But when I came to the Lord I didn’t have any leadership or any guidance. I didn’t know what books were there. I knew that I didn’t know the Bible very well. I didn’t even know the Spirit. But what God did for me He taught me how to live life, and I didn’t even know He was doing it.

So if you follow the Spirit, He will take you to the issue of choice and He will guide you to make the choice. The scripture says, “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” Very interesting way to put it! You have to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. “For He works in you to will, choose, and then to do His good pleasure.” He is working to get you and I’ve seen this dramatically lately in different people’s lives that God really worked to get their will in the right place, because He will not violate our choice.

John:
That’s what I saw earlier that that’s the reason why He requires you…  You were saying, Joan, earlier that Derek Prince says He will not do it for you. You have…  There’s a, there’s a pattern of thinking that the renewing of your mind that you have to do and that you’re required to do. And I saw clearly that it’s because He won’t violate our will. We have a free will and we have to activate that. We don’t particularly have to activate the action. But we do have to activate the choice. We have to set the rudder to the direction that we’re gonna go. And, and unless we’ve set that rudder by choice…  It, it’s a dichotomy. It’s, it’s another paradox that’s laid side by side. You’re not gonna be doing the performance but you are gonna be doing the choice.

Martha:
Exactly. And that has to be separated so that, they’re two different works.

John:
He says, “Choose this day!” It not a, you know…  I know that in the Old Testament that, you know, they had to DO. There was tons of do’s. But the New Testament is Christ’s life doing, my life choosing.

Martha:
My life is choosing life. So when He, when He led me to walk with Him, He…  I didn’t understand that I was working in the realm of the will. And just… The Holy Spirit would show me what God wanted and I would say, I would pray the choice. That’s very powerful. I didn’t know that I was doing something life-changing. But I would pray the choice. “Lord, You want me to be this. I want, I choose to be that. So give it to me. Work it out in my life.”

And then…  So everything you choose, you really choose before God and take to God and I was actually praying my decisions and declaring my decisions. I didn’t even know that. I was just moving by inspiration.

John:
But don’t you feel like, that it’s truly a natural movement, that you’ll be going through your life, you’ll be driving… Okay, I have it happen on a regular basis. I’ll be driving to the pool to go swim and something will pop and quicken in my mind and I’ll make choices according to that. And I know it’s the Spirit talking. It’s like He’s, He’s giving me the choices to make.

Martha:
Absolutely.

John:
And He… It’s natural though.

Martha:
Yes!

John:
It’s not like some, you know…

Martha:
It’s not a method.

John:
It’s not a method.

Martha:
It’s following the Spirit.

John:
Yes. And it, and it comes to your… He quickens your mind and He quickens your heart and He shows you the path. Like today I was driving back and I said, you know, I saw a choice and I said, “This is my utter choice. This is my… I know that this will never, ever happen again. It’s done. That’s over. It’s finished. This will never happen again.” That’s my choice but it’s also my reality because I’m choosing it right now and I see it. But it wasn’t like I was thinking about that whole, the whole scenario. He brought it there. And it was like bzzzz. And He lit it up and then I could make that choice.

Martha:
It’s a work of the Spirit you’re describing, and the fact of its natural-ness.

John:
It’s relational. And if you’re not in the relationship with the Spirit it’s going to be very difficult to have this whole deal.

Martha:
And it’s primal, Joan. It’s the Garden. There was a choice. Life or death. And according to what you listen to, you determined your life or death. So it’s, it‘s absolutely primal to God’s creation and to God’s ways and to the enormous gift of free will. We don’t, we don’t really get that we have the freedom to choose.

And I wrote a booklet out of, out of all these things. It’s called Decision. And I put in here,

“When I speak about the power of choice I often hear this: ‘I don’t know how to make the choices.’”

But we make choices constantly. Everything we do is preceded by a choice. Every word and every act of life is, comes from a choice.

“The question, ‘HOW do I choose’ is often the indication that I’ve already refused to choose Christ. I don’t WANT to follow Him, so I have to make it hard, confusing, and obscure…”

“So I don’t, I just don’t understand!” But the issue is not how but what. What we want to do we manage to do. But even if you don’t have the desire, you can still choose against yourself.

John:
Well, going with the primal thing, you, Joan was mentioning earlier about the fact that of what, what the real choice is. It’s the original choice. It’s the problem that, that Eve had with that temptation which said…

Joan:
I want control. I want power over my husband. I want power over God and let me be in charge.

John:
I want to be God!

Joan:
I want to be God!

John:
And that was, that was what he said. What was, what was the temptation? He said…

Martha:
You will be as God. Eat from the tree of…

John:
Come on, eat it!

Martha:
…good and evil you will be as God.

John:
Num, num. Eat it! You can be God. You’ll be God. Don’t worry about it. Just eat!

(Laughter)

Choose Life or Choose Death – Episode #632 – Shulamite Podcast

In Deuteronomy, God calls on the Israelites to make a choice that day: Choose life or choose death. He didn’t say, “Choose God.” He said, “Choose LIFE.” Why? What is in this very primal choice of life or death that sets in motion a path of blessing or curse?

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In Deuteronomy, God calls on the Israelites to make a choice that day: Choose life or choose death. He didn't say, "Choose God." He said, "Choose LIFE." Why? In Deuteronomy, God calls on the Israelites to make a choice that day: Choose life or choose death. He didn't say, "Choose God." He said, "Choose LIFE." Why? What is in this very primal choice of life or death that sets in motion a path of blessing or curse? Shulamite Ministries clean 12:24
In Our Vulnerability, the Spirit Leads – Episode #631 https://shulamitepodcast.com/vulnerability-spirit-leads/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=vulnerability-spirit-leads Sat, 05 Jan 2019 10:00:23 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=4901 https://shulamitepodcast.com/vulnerability-spirit-leads/#respond https://shulamitepodcast.com/vulnerability-spirit-leads/feed/ 0 <p>In Our Vulnerability, the Spirit Leads Episode #631 1-6-2019 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow This is the final episode of a series of podcasts started in Episode #629 The vulnerability of a little child is heart-wrenching to see, but that’s how open we’re called to be. The Holy Spirit then moves in and takes the […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/vulnerability-spirit-leads/">In Our Vulnerability, the Spirit Leads – Episode #631</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> In Our Vulnerability, the Spirit Leads
Episode #631
1-6-2019

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow

This is the final episode of a series of podcasts started in Episode #629
The vulnerability of a little child is heart-wrenching to see, but that’s how open we’re called to be. The Holy Spirit then moves in and takes the lead!

Martha:
I was grieving about someone recently who is missing the mark so badly and I said, “Lord, what is it?” And He said, “She will not be nothing.” And I said, “Oh, let me be nothing.” I am nothing.

John:
I am nothing!

Martha:
I’m ever discovering I am nothing. He is everything! And He’s got to be everything. We don’t need to be anything. We are a vessel. We are a clay, common vessel. And we don’t— We need to be in the adventure of watching Him live a life that we’re incapable of living in our own being.

John:
It’s not a slight on us. It’s…

Martha:
No, it’s just the reality.

John:
It’s the reality and it’s the blessing of everything.

Martha:
It’s dependence. We are independent and that’s the sin of the garden. But, oh, how lovely to be a stupid sheep and know that He doesn’t expect us to be anything else.

John:
Or if you don’t like to be a sheep, be a child. Either one, either one are completely dependent.

Martha:
Yes.

John:
Utterly dependent. Devastatingly dependent! You know…

Martha:
Permanently dependent (laughs).

John:
Permanently! And you, you said, you said when you would look at the grandchildren, you realized how vulnerable they were and how painful it was because of their vulnerability.

Martha:
Oh yeah. I didn’t see that vulnerability for my own children as clearly. But when that little grandbaby…

John:
Well, you’re so vulnerable when you first are a parent. You’re so vulnerable…

Martha:
Yes, that’s true!

John:
Because you’re learning and you’re thinking, “Oh my God, just not let me not, not, not let this person die!” You know, you’re trying to keep them alive and you’re trying to stay, you know, ahead and, but when you’re a grandparent you can look and you see the entire picture. You see the broader spectrum and a bigger picture of it all. And you do, you see their vulnerability.

Martha:
That’s just heart wrenching.

John:
Because you can see their vulnerability even to the parent.

Martha:
Yes, most of that, mostly that.

John:
How, how soft they are to the touch. Hard touch, soft touch, angry touch—all the touches! You realize how easily they can be crushed.

Martha:
I remember watching a father and mother and a little girl. I think she was probably four. They were in, we were in a restaurant and I was watching them because the father and mother were talking and they were taking care of her but they were indifferent to her. I don’t mean badly. I just mean naturally. They were talking and they were having, and… But she was watching them with the most intense attention and they never knew it. She turned her head to one, to the other when they spoke and she never looked anywhere else but in their face. And that was her vulnerability to them that she was absorbing who they were. Maybe not understanding what they were talking about. She was absorbing each face as though it was the only thing in the world. And I went, “Oh my goodness, I missed it! (Laughs) Oh!

John:
I saw a family that was at a, a restaurant the other day and the, the one little boy was so excited to show, you know, I mean it was, it was just a little child’s drawing on, on a placemat, you know? But he was so excited. There was… I was looking at his face. I didn’t care what the drawing was. I was looking at his face about… He created something and he wanted them… And the mom was just like, “Yeah, yeah, yeah.” And just kind of pushed it off. Which you do! It’s, it’s normal, you know. “I, I’ve got five kids. I am spinning plates here! Do you understand me?” And, and, you’re not bleeding right now and, and so you’re not going to be the plate that get spun. But his face was giving everything. He was registering a desire to be seen in that moment, and she didn’t have it for him. Ok, it’s fine. That’s the way it is. That’s the way life is. That’s the way God’s designed it. And, and I’ve seen and I’ve written about God’s jealousy in that.

Martha:
Um hmm. That child is His. Well, it appears, John, since we got this direction separately and you were writing your post…

John:
Yeah, I was writing a post while you were getting ready, yeah.

Martha:
While I was getting ready.

John:
Yeah, and we, I had no idea where you were going and you had no idea with, where I was.

Martha:
But we were in the same stream of Spirit. I have to… I really believe that that stream is the same wherever the Spirit is welcome. So learning to discern is a preparation for the days to come and a preparation for life to discern, that… I remember some years ago they were training little children to trust their intuition and if they felt someone was dangerous to get away, even if there was nothing obvious. And that’s your strong suit, John.

John:
Is my intuition.

Martha:
Your strong suit is intuition. Yeah, most men don’t have that developed but you do. Something in, in your life in God’s grace… You developed it.

John:
Well, it was just the fact that I didn’t have a lot of education. I didn’t have a lot of learning, book learning so to speak. I wasn’t a big reader and I didn’t have a… And I felt very vulnerable and very insufficient in that, which was, you know, kind of cutting on myself worth and, you, know, my ego and, but that’s, that’s where I went. I literally had to trust my gut.

Martha:
Um hmm. And you’ve always spotted things that I don’t because of your intuition. It’s how you solve problems. It’s, it’s in your spirit.

John:
(Laughs) Yeah, really.

Martha:
And the Holy Spirit wants us to learn that. He wants us to be sensitive to the force of Jesus, to the nature, and the presence of Jesus. There’s only two presences.

John:
Right.

Martha:
Dark and light, love or hate. And it’s amazing to me that a wolf in sheep’s clothing can so deceive; one who pretends to be of Christ but who’s really of Satan. That and, and Jesus said they are going to come in, in your midst. And I think Paul said it too before he went to Jerusalem to be crucified. It’s so easy to be fooled and I have been. You, you have rarely… I’ve never seen, I don’t know that I’ve seen you be really fooled by anybody. You’ve had maybe not the full picture but a hint, a whiff, a nudge. And you listen to it and that is the Holy Spirit directing.

I remember one time when we were in the airport in Spain and you suddenly… I was… You were at the counter of the rental car and I was sort of standing in the big hallway and you grabbed me and pulled me out into the thing, I thought. And then this, apparently, a thief came running by with two police after him and you, you didn’t see but you felt that we were in danger.

John:
I, we, I had finished with the rental car. We were on the way out to go get the car.

Martha:
Oh, okay.

John:
And I could feel something happening behind us. And I didn’t have time to, to turn around and look. I just grabbed you and pulled you over and immediately that’s when he ran by us. He would have…

Martha:
He was right on my heels, would’ve knocked me down.

John:
He would have knocked you down. Absolutely! And then the cops were right behind him and, and they may have knocked you down. I don’t know.

Martha:
Yeah, could have been. I was oblivious to everything but you… That was, that was a nudging of the Spirit.

John:
Yeah, I believe that was.

Martha:
And I’m, I’ve…

John:
Because it wasn’t like I heard foot, footsteps running.

Martha:
There was no noise.

John:
There was no noise. It just was… Something, something was happening. So… And the Spirit so wants to communicate that stuff to us. He’s so interested in being that involved and that engaged.

Martha:
Present and heard!

John:
And that present, absolutely! And, but you have to remain vulnerable and if you remember we left, we left that airport, got in that rental car, and we experienced the biggest vulnerability that I’ve ever had in a car. “Oh, Jesus, Jesus here we come!” And off we went into the crazy Madrid.

Martha:
We survived!

John:
Oh my goodness, barely!

Martha:
Right, barely! And I was no help.

John:
Wow.

Martha:
You finally said, “Martha, look out the window.” (Laughs.)

John:
Yeah. (Laughs) “Look out the window. Don’t look at anything else in this…”

Martha:
“Don’t look at the GPS.”

John:
Yeah, “Don’t look at GPS! Don’t look at nothing. Just look out the window and pray.”

Martha:
(Laughs) But I, if this is the close, I close it with a tremendous cry to the Lord to give us discernment. Give us the surrender to the Spirit, which is the primary thing. The surrender… You only have discernment if you surrender to another mind other than yours. So I just pray for that for me, and all, all God’s children in these days to come.

John:
See, I think discernment goes dead in to being a sheep and being willing to follow.

Martha:
I do too, John.

John:
Listening to the, the Shepherd’s voice and not listening to another. That’s where discernment comes. I believe that as long as we remain in that vulnerability… We didn’t pick up the power, we didn’t pick up the strength. We stayed in the vulnerability and then we were given the strength as Christ lived it through us.

Martha:
And everywhere we went, we were guided, really, on that trip. We ended up in some wonderful places.

John:
Well that, I think it’s all of life. I think it’s all of life to remain a sheep, to remain a child. Then you do have the discernment.

Martha:
The vulnerability, you’re, you are stating it as an unalterable fact.

John:
It is!

Martha:
We like to change it to not be that way. But it is the truth.

John:
Well, that’s what, that’s what Oswald said there, isn’t it?

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
How did he, what is the term he used?

Martha:
He said until… The greatest blessing spiritually is the knowledge that we are destitute. Until we get there, our Lord can, is powerless. He’s got independence.

John:
See, when we pick up the power we’re, we are powerless. But when we will lay down the power and we won’t take that up and we remain in the vulnerability, then He is the power.

Martha:
He is the power. But if we’re going to go running off with our own agenda and leave Him…

John:
God help us!

Martha:
Yeah. Help us indeed.

In Our Vulnerability, the Spirit Leads – Episode #631 – Shulamite Podcast

The vulnerability of a little child is heart-wrenching to see, but that’s how open we’re called to be. The Holy Spirit then moves in and leads us through life’s labyrinth, with all wisdom and discernment available for every possible circumstance we encounter!

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The vulnerability of a little child is heart-wrenching to see, but that's how open we're called to be. The Holy Spirit then moves in and takes the lead! The vulnerability of a little child is heart-wrenching to see, but that's how open we're called to be. The Holy Spirit then moves in and leads us through life's labyrinth, with all wisdom and discernment available for every possible circumstance we encounter! Shulamite Ministries clean 13:09
Vulnerable Sheep Seek the Shepherd, Not Power – Episode #630 https://shulamitepodcast.com/vulnerable-sheep-seek-shepherd-not-power/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=vulnerable-sheep-seek-shepherd-not-power Sat, 29 Dec 2018 10:00:31 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=4888 https://shulamitepodcast.com/vulnerable-sheep-seek-shepherd-not-power/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/vulnerable-sheep-seek-shepherd-not-power/feed/ 1 <p>Vulnerable Sheep Seek the Shepherd, Not Power Episode #630 12-30-2018 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow This is the continuation of a series of Podcasts started in Episode #629. It’s frightening to be vulnerable, but we are called to be vulnerable sheep. The temptation is to grasp for power but the safety is in following Jesus. John: […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/vulnerable-sheep-seek-shepherd-not-power/">Vulnerable Sheep Seek the Shepherd, Not Power – Episode #630</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> Vulnerable Sheep Seek the Shepherd, Not Power
Episode #630
12-30-2018

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow

This is the continuation of a series of Podcasts started in Episode #629.
It’s frightening to be vulnerable, but we are called to be vulnerable sheep. The temptation is to grasp for power but the safety is in following Jesus.

John:
You know, you… There was one time in the Bible Study early, early, early, early, that was a lady who gave a message. And do you remember the lady that gave the message and when she delivered the message everybody in the room went, “Oooo! Ahhh! Whoa!” But then shortly after she delivered the message people said, “What? What was it about again?”

Martha:
Oh, yeah.

John:
Do you remember that?

Martha:
I do, it was about fear, right?

John:
It was about fear. Yeah, yeah, yeah!

Martha:
And she was one who lived in her mind.

John:
And she delivered a very, very eloquent, intellectual, amazing message but it had no fruit at the end of it.

Martha:
No practicality.

John:
And no life.

Martha:
And no life.

John:
The reason it didn’t is because it, it emanated from… And there, there you go, back to what I wrote these posts on. Is it Christ or not? Was it life or death? Was it Christ or not? And when, when I heard that message I said, “That was really a great message.” But literally I could not remember a single thing that was said.

Martha:
All the glory was for her as the grand speaker but there was no substance and no life.

John:
Wow.

Martha:
It was a big lesson for us.

John:
Wow, wow, wow!

Martha:
And we also had to learn really painfully and long that people who began to speak out of the flesh and out of the mind, we had to learn that it was our responsibility to say, “Stop! This is not Jesus.”

John:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there again, is it Christ or not? Not if it’s right or wrong.

Martha:
Or good or bad.

John:
Or good or bad! Is this Christ? And I think now, now that we’ve matured as a body, I think now that we would stop and say, “Wait, wait!” But there was almost, there was, with that particular time, there was almost like a spell kind of wrapped around it because it mesmerized.

Martha:
Um hmm. It was…

John:
I can’t say that I would say, “Wait a minute, stop” because I, you know, I know what Christ smells like. I know, I know what He sounds like. And I didn’t necessarily go, “Oh, wait a minute, this is absolutely not God.” It was seductive!

Martha:
It was seductive and it was brilliant.

John:
Not sexually seductive. It was brilliantly seductive. It seduced the mind. And so anyway… Whether it was not good or evil or right or wrong, it’s whether it’s Christ or not. And if, you know, that’s, that’s the, that’s the power of Paul’s message is that it was, it wasn’t, you know… Is Christ being preached? That’s all he cared about. It wasn’t whether it was right or wrong. Is Christ being preached? And in that she wasn’t delivering Christ. She was delivering herself. And then that other pastor that you were talking about. And so that kind of, that kind of takes the air out of, of whether I say it correctly, whether I say it energetically, whether I say it with passion, whether I say it with eloquent words. That just kind of deflates that raft altogether and says, “Who’s the source of it? Was it a capital ‘S’ source?”

Martha:
And we are supposed to know…

John:
Yeah.

Martha:
…the voice. “Another voice the sheep will not hear. The sheep know My voice.” If you don’t know His voice…

John:
It’s because you’re not a sheep.

Martha:
You’re not a sheep and sometimes believers who are born again and are sheep will not be one. You’re only a disciple…

John:
Well it’s frightening!

Martha:
Um hmm, yeah.

John:
That’s an utterly frightening position to be in as a sheep because you are absolutely, utterly vulnerable.

Martha:
And dependent.

John:
And dependent.

Martha:
Absolutely dependent!

John:
You’re, you’re vulnerable to the entire world. You’re vulnerable to everything. But then you have a Shepherd who’s able to protect you. You have a Shepherd who is able to keep you and, and watch you and watch for you. But…

Martha:
And watch over you.

John:
And watch over us.

Martha:
And watch over everything that’s going on. That’s, that’s what He does.

John:
That’s the ultimate safety.

Martha:
Yes, it is the ultimate safety. And so fear is really a wretched denial of the Shepherd. I picked up an old Bible the other day and I had written in it: “A disciple is a sheep that follows or he is not a disciple.” A disciple is a sheep because it’s all about following after Jesus. Following where, following wherever He goes and not initiating anything. We’re not supposed to initiate anything. And I heard someone say recently the great, great need of the church in this hour is the gift of discernment. And that gift comes only by what you went through that you described, a training in discernment, and what I went through with this pastor because I thought he was a great speaker. He had wonderful things to say. I just didn’t know they weren’t his.

John:
Well, you know, Christ says to be a sheep, yes. He also ­– and be shepherded, which is vulnerable – but He also says be a child which is an utter vulnerability as well. You are completely vulnerable. As a, as a weaned child, you are utterly vulnerable to the parent. That the parent take care of you. That the parent watch you. That the parent shelter you, the parent feed you. You’re, you are vulnerable and, and I think that it’s that naked vulnerability that we do not like. It’s frightening.

Martha:
We want to be independent.

John:
Right!

Martha:
I read something very powerful. I believe it was Austin-Sparks. And it’s so true. He said what human beings want is power. And that’s what gets us into trouble. And that, that person who spoke so brilliantly in, in mesmerizing manner, that was power…

John:
Power!

Martha:
…the power of the enemy present. Wasn’t it? We didn’t know that it was the power at that time. But we just knew that we suddenly were confused. Nothing was left but her.

John:
Right, right. Yeah, well, anytime we talk about power, I always think of Galadriel from Lord of the Rings when she has her encounter with the ring and she’s given the ability to take the ring and she becomes just like, crazy, like, you know….

Martha:
With ambition.

John:
With ambition. You know, “I could be the Master of the universe!” and then pow! You know, and, and that ring of power made her crazy. It was enticing and it made her crazy and she literally had to get away from it and saw that it was too powerful. And it is too powerful.

Martha:
Did she throw the ring off?

John:
I don’t remember how it happened. I don’t even know if she put it on. She just had it. But I don’t remember. I’d have to watch it again, and somebody who, who really…

Martha:
That’s a very insightful issue, that it’s about power.

John:
It was about power.

Martha:
And what it really means is we all want to be God. We don’t want to have to have a God. We, we want power.

John:
And it’s enticing and it’s seductive and it makes us nuts! Crazy.

Martha:
I want to read something, also, in an older Bible. This is Oswald Chambers. “The greatest blessing spiritually…(I wonder what we would say that is? All kinds of lists of things we could say is the greatest spiritual blessing. Ok, you ready?)…the greatest spiritual blessing is the knowledge that we are destitute (laughs). Until we have gotten there, our Lord is powerless in our life.”

John:
Whoa.

Martha:
Until we are destitute! See, we don’t follow when we, when we want our way.

John:
Oh, that, that takes it to another realm, doesn’t it?

Martha:
And it’s, I know this so well because He has reduced me over and over and over. He has taken this lamb and set her down and made me know… He hasn’t made me destitute. He’s made me know that I am.

John:
Yeah, absolutely.

Martha:
And so that is the greatest blessing spiritually: the knowledge that we are destitute, like children.

John:
That we are.

Martha:
We are. That is our state. And it’s written on the page of Matthew 5, the Beatitudes. “Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” And until we get there, our Lord is powerless in our lives.

John:
That should be a, a big enticement to, to embrace your…

Martha:
Destitution! I was grieving about someone recently who’s missing the mark so badly and I said, “Lord, what is it?” And He said, “She will not be nothing.” And I said, “Oh, let me be nothing.” I am nothing.

John:
I am nothing!

Martha:
I am ever discovering I am nothing. He is everything! And He’s got to be everything. We don’t need to be anything. We are a vessel. We’re a clay, common vessel!

John:
Right.

Martha:
And we don’t— We need to be in the adventure of watching Him live a life that we’re incapable of living in our own being.

John:
It’s not a, it’s not a, a slight on us. It’s…

Martha:
No, it’s just the reality!

John:
It’s the reality and it’s the blessing of everything.

Martha:
It’s dependence. We are independent and that’s the sin of the garden. But, oh, how lovely to be a stupid sheep (laughs) and know that He doesn’t expect us to be anything else.

John:
Or if you don’t like to be a sheep, be a child. Either one, either one are completely dependent.

Martha:
Yes!

John:
Utterly dependent.

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
Devastatingly dependent!

(They laugh.)

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It’s frightening to be vulnerable, but we are called to be vulnerable sheep. The temptation of even born-again believers is to grasp for power, yet the only true safety in this dangerous world is in following our Shepherd, Jesus Christ, wherever He goes.

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What Exactly is Strange Fire? – Episode #629 https://shulamitepodcast.com/strange-fire/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=strange-fire Sat, 22 Dec 2018 10:00:30 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=4879 https://shulamitepodcast.com/strange-fire/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/strange-fire/feed/ 2 <p>What Exactly is Strange Fire?Episode #62912-23-2018 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John EnslowBetween John’s recent posts on Get Along With God and Martha’s latest Message of the Month, the issue of strange fire is covered deeply and thoroughly. John:Well, we’ve just finished the message of the month, and I think it’s going to be called Strange Fire […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/strange-fire/">What Exactly is Strange Fire? – Episode #629</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> What Exactly is Strange Fire?
Episode #629
12-23-2018

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Between John’s recent posts on Get Along With God and Martha’s latest Message of the Month, the issue of strange fire is covered deeply and thoroughly.

John:
Well, we’ve just finished the message of the month, and I think it’s going to be called Strange Fire and it’s pretty amazing. The message that she just gave took something that I’ve actually been on and then brought the consequence of it with the strange fire message.

And so I want to just launch off that message, and if you would like to listen to it, please, it’s January’s Message of the Month. It will be available this, this weekend. It’s gonna be the week of Christmas and you may have missed this one because of the holidays but if you’re starting this in January, and the Message of the Month will be what we’re kind of launching off from. So I hope you’ll be able to enjoy both of those.

Martha started out with the scripture Romans 11:36 in the Amplified which says, “For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. [For all things originate with Him and come from Him; all things live through Him, and all things center in and tend to consummate and to end in Him.] To Him be glory forever! Amen (so be it).”

And I’ve been writing posts about that and they’ll be coming out actually the first week of the year. So that’s when they’re gonna start and I’ve got three so far and it’s gonna probably go beyond that. But…

Martha:
I’m just sitting here. We’ve just finished this tape and it was just, I think it was fiery!

John:
It was fiery! It was amazing.

Martha:
And I wanted to just read this wonderful verse and I want us to know if we have come here. “And we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us.” To know it and to believe it. Wouldn’t that be wonderful? “God is love and the one who abides in love abides in God and God abides in him. In this love is perfected with us so that we may have confidence in the Day of Judgment for we are as He is in this world. There is no fear in love.”

So I think as my message of the new year has got to be this verse, these two verses ­– 1 John 4:16-17. In order to survive, in order to live, we have to have the love of God. And we have so many barriers up against it. We have so many, so much unbelief. And I’m seeing that every sin is from unbelief, John.

Sin is just the symptom. It’s like sin is the disease and you see the symptom and you think it’s all kind of different things. No, it a very simple, very deep, hidden problem. And the name of it is unbelief. I think it’s Oswald who says we should confess the sin of unbelief. And he says it’s the most heinous of sins. Really it denies God.

John:
That, yeah, that’s the issue.

Martha:
It calls Him a liar.

John:
That’s right! There you go.

Martha:
But lets go back to your posts because I’ve read them and I have cried and they are jewels, absolute jewels of knowing… I think I can say it’s about knowing whether it’s Christ or not Christ. Is it about that?

John:
That, that’s precisely it. And, see, what you did in the CD of the Month is you took it, you took that and you showed the consequences of it not being Christ and that’s, you know, I didn’t do that. I didn’t do that in my posts. I basically was showing where that it’s either Christ or not Christ. That you’re not deciding whether something is good or bad, whether something is right or wrong. You’re deciding whether something is Christ or not. And that is the, that’s the prerequisite for life; that everything that’s Christ is life; everything that’s not Christ is death. So, you know, that’s the three posts I, that I write; that’s kind of the premise I go. But what you did was you went into the result of and the consequence of and what it really is when you draw off of something that’s not Christ.

Martha:
Including self.

John:
Well, yeah, I mean for you to say that basically it’s strange fire to… Anything that you do that’s not from Christ is strange fire and the result of that strange fire is death.

Martha:
It burns you!

John:
It burns you! That’s just frightening to me. That’s, that’s, that’s, that’s scary. That’s, that takes the whole thing. And you were mentioning a man who got in the pulpit and was delivering messages as his own and they were not. They were literally taken from other people; from books that he’s read or other messages that he had. And, you know something? I think that it would have been okay if he had listened to a message and he really…

Martha:
If he’s anointed.

John:
…if he was anointed with it and then he gave it…

Martha:
Oh, I’ve quoted many people.

John:
That’s wonderful. But there’s a, there was a heart difference there. There was a heart difference there. He was bringing, he had no life and was bringing and proclaiming it as if he had life.

Martha:
And that is danger!

John:
That’s, that’s where there’s strange fire. That’s when we are in danger. You know, when I’m writing a post or when I wrote the book Where Are You God or the new book which is called The Sovereign Touch I believe what I did was I sought Him while I was writing it and I was asking Him for the words. And I was, sometimes I was praying in the Spirit and I was saying, “How do You want to say this?” You know, knowing the direction I was going in and how… And I was seeking Him and some of the things, you know… I can’t say that the entire message that I was getting on sovereignty originated from me because it didn’t. The original impartation of that message came from you. And so the God’s sovereignty, your message on God’s sovereignty impacted me so much that it became like a seed that went inside of me and it pierced my heart with that seed. And then it grew and developed and the Spirit nurtured it and brought it forth as its own…

Martha:
Yes!

John:
…entity, it’s own tree, it’s own and it came out. See now if that pastor had done that, if he had literally taken these messages and allowed them to impale him and to take root in his own life…

Martha:
Yes. By the Spirit.

John:
By the Spirit. Then it would have been, it would have been, brought fruit. It may have even been the same message.

Martha:
The same words!

John:
And the same words really.

Martha:
I’ve had people ask me early, early on, “Martha, I’m sharing your words. Do I need to tell people it’s you, it’s from you?” I said, “Oh, you be led in the Spirit by that. But if you have taken a word and you have lived it and seen it on your own with the Lord, it has become yours, it’s not mine.” And that’s, that’s what you’re saying. It’s possible. We can learn, we can hear Jesus from each other.

John:
Right. Exactly. And then it becomes, it becomes, you know, as it’s coming out of me, it becomes a part of me and, and, and you know, it’s all comes from the source which is Jesus. So it doesn’t matter what, what branch it happens to pop off of.

Martha:
Right, and it comes out of you in a different way, John.

John:
Right.

Martha:
It’s creative, all things new.

John:
Right.

Martha:
When Jesus reproduces His messages, it’s going to be new and fresh. And as Sparks says everything, everything that comes has to be fresh even if it’s an old message. And you’ve brought it fresh. You brought it with new, new transparency and new insight and it’s not… You couldn’t say it’s related at all to my messages.

John:
Well, it went through a different filter. It went through the filter of my life.

Martha:
Of your life. That’s the filter. It has to come out of you. I was thinking yesterday that when I was brooding on these ideas and revelations I was thinking about the fact that you have to live it. I know so well, John, that there’s nothing I’ve written that I haven’t lived in the extreme. And you have lived with that, with that sovereignty for many years now. Over twenty years you’ve lived with that message.

John:
And when I first started doing it, I was writing posts about it or whatever, I was talking about it sometimes because it was, you know, like when the Spirit will give you a message and it comes out of you but it’s something that’s very specific, pointed at you. You can’t run around with your finger pointed at anybody else because it’s a message for you and your life and you may not even have the complete fruit of that revelation but it’s coming out for you from Him. And, and that’s, that’s I mean I’ve had….

Martha:
Personal.

John:
Personal. It’s deeply personal.

Martha:
So personal.

John:
And you may be sharing it, you know. And you have to be led when you’re sharing it. But I’ve seen that. It’s not like I said, “Oh, yeah, I’m master of this!” No! Or I have the complete fulfillment of this or I have the complete maturity of this. No! This is for me.

Martha:
He’s that creative. Even with the same message.

John:
Absolutely.

Martha:
It’s going to take billions to, in heaven to testify of sovereignty. It’ll be so deep and so rich it will take billions of believers.

John:
I’ve even said at the end of the writing of this book I wrote and I said, “I could write about this forever.” And I’ve written more since I’ve written the book. And I don’t even know if those chapters will go in there. I don’t know.

Martha:
Everything I write I get more and “I wish I had put that in the book! And, oh, that should have been there.” But I didn’t get it and sometimes there’s, there’s some things I’m going to add, too.

John:
Well, I mean I literally, I literally could write about this forever because it is so rich, it’s so deep, it’s so all-inclusive.

Martha:
It’s so central, isn’t it?

John:
And it is so central.

Martha:
It is so central to our everything. If we don’t know the sovereignty of God, we don’t know God is God.

John:
Right. Exactly.

Martha:
And it is the message that doesn’t, it’s not cute and not entertaining. It’s entertaining to me because of all the stories in the Bible about it. But it’s not… We like the sensational in this day and age. And this is the most sensational message but it doesn’t appear to be.

John:
Well, yes. Yeah, absolutely.

What Exactly is Strange Fire? – Episode #629 – Shulamite Podcast

Between John’s recent posts on Get Along With God and Martha’s latest Message of the Month, the issue of strange fire is covered deeply and thoroughly. But what exactly IS strange fire? Is it just a Bible story or is it a spiritual issue we must face today?

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Between John's recent posts on Get Along With God and Martha's latest Message of the Month, the issue of strange fire is covered deeply and thoroughly. Between John's recent posts on Get Along With God and Martha's latest Message of the Month, the issue of strange fire is covered deeply and thoroughly. But what exactly IS strange fire? Is it just a Bible story or is it a spiritual issue we must face today? Shulamite Ministries clean 13:10
Overcoming Hatred with God’s Love – Episode #628 https://shulamitepodcast.com/overcoming-hatred-love/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=overcoming-hatred-love Sat, 15 Dec 2018 10:00:46 +0000 https://shulamitepodcast.com/?p=4870 https://shulamitepodcast.com/overcoming-hatred-love/#comments https://shulamitepodcast.com/overcoming-hatred-love/feed/ 1 <p>Overcoming Hatred with God’s Love Episode #628 12-16-2018 With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow Special Guest: Jennifer Wentzel This is the continuation of a series of Podcasts started in Episode #625. Overcoming hatred takes love, God’s love in fact. No amount of self-discipline, thought-policing or tongue-holding can substitute for an influx of that love! Jennifer: I think what […]</p> <p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com/overcoming-hatred-love/">Overcoming Hatred with God’s Love – Episode #628</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://shulamitepodcast.com">Shulamite Podcast</a>.</p> Overcoming Hatred with God’s Love
Episode #628
12-16-2018

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special Guest: Jennifer Wentzel

This is the continuation of a series of Podcasts started in Episode #625.
Overcoming hatred takes love, God’s love in fact. No amount of self-discipline, thought-policing or tongue-holding can substitute for an influx of that love!

Jennifer:
I think what amazes me is that in, in this booklet, in Overcoming Self-hatred, a booklet ostensibly about identifying hatred with ourselves (laughs) is just as much about our calling as believers universally, which is to love and to be vessels of God’s love on this earth. And what, what, what struck me working on this booklet was that regardless of what issue is being addressed… You know, you talk about the seven churches in Revelation. You talked about that earlier, Martha, in your audio teaching on that, The King is Coming, which is phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal, but it’s not what you expect. I think people hear Revelation and they, they go into interpretation and, and there’s all sorts of commentary and what does this mean and, and is the anti-Christ coming from Uzbekistan, and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, I don’t say that to be dismissive. That was my et cetera because, okay, you know, I’m sure that there’s validity there. I’m just not too, you know, into it myself but that doesn’t mean it’s not valid to go there.

But your take on Revelation is (laughs) somehow entirely about the love of Christ even as it’s dealing with all the different churches and, and all the different issues. They’re all there and yet everything regardless is within and about and under the, the biggest purpose, which is love; letting love reign in us, you know. And that is, that is phenomenal to me. That is phenomenal to me because I think we need to hear it that much. I think the bombardment of hate is that real. I think, I think it’s that easy to fall under it. I think it’s that easy to agree with it. To say, “That, that feels familiar.” Hate feels very familiar. By the time you’re fifteen years old hate is the familiar. I don’t care what your background was, you know. I don’t care if it was the stuff of nightmares or, you know, of fairly rated-G existence in the middle of a commune. Hate is the familiar because that’s, that’s the deal. And we need such reinforcement on the love side. We need such strong calling to love, to be loved. We need obstacles torn down every day that would get in between us and that love.

And it’s amazing to me because Shulamite Ministries is ostensibly a ministry to Jesus Christ, which is a little odd on the surface, you know. (Laughs) And certainly people say, “What?!” But, you know, it’s all about love. Where does He want us to love today? Who does He want us to be kind to, to be gracious to, to discipline, to watch for someone’s soul, to feed, to encourage, to, you know, call them on the carpet and say, “Dude, you’re dying. What are you doing?”

All these things are love, you know. And that is what this ministry is, that is what these messages are. John and I, you know, yes, they’re jewels, they’re treasures and, you know, like I said earlier, we have the best problem you could ever have; the sheer bounty of what He’s poured through you in this ministry. And now He’s pouring through John and John’s testimony is (laughs) unbelievable. And the feedback has been amazing. Where Are You God? And our, our, yes, we are trying to remind people of the sheer quantity of living, life-giving, love-bringing messages there are. And, and that’s what this ministry does and it does beautifully, you know. And this is another one—Overcoming Self-hatred.

Martha:
Well, this would not have occurred but for the vision of John, the work of Jennifer. And I have stood by and watched it evolve and come together and be and appear. And I walked in the, Jennifer’s office the other day where there was, John and Jennifer were sitting and going over the material and I had to walk away in tears. And they said, “What’s the matter?” I said, “I can hardly bear it that you are such servants and that you are doing this intense work of putting this together. I am just overwhelmed.” And I’m overwhelmed again now so (laughs) with the things that you both have said that are, should be in print.

So I give God all the glory. I give Him all the praise because He, He had to wake me up and say, “You hate someone. It’s you!” And I didn’t know it. It was normal to me. It’s normal to most of us. It’s acceptable because we believe it’s true and it’s the end of the matter. There’s nothing beyond the fact that I’m just a twit. And there is something beyond that. It’s called grace. God’s grace upon us to bring us out of self-hatred, which is actually the hatred of God because He made you and made me.

But, so this is exciting for me on a different level because it’s, this is a corporate book. (Laughs) It’s a church book. It’s, it was done by two or more. And those who listened and encouraged me and those who worked directly on it, and John’s vision and prayer for it. So it’s all a beautiful, to me, example of the church producing something to the glory of God and seeing in it far more than I saw in it myself. And still you see more than I know is there.

So we end by just praising God for this and hoping that it will be used for His glory and the increase of His love on this dark earth.

Jennifer:
Yes!

John:
I’ve always had the deep passion that none of these booklets would detract you from the, the book writing that you’ve been wanting to do; the current message that you’re on. I’ve, I’ve not been asking you to, you know, rehash over things that you’ve already, you know, given because I know that, you know, that would be tedious for you.

Martha:
That’s the word I was about to say.

John:
Yeah, I mean, I, I’ve always seen that. I’ve been like, “No, I’m not asking for you to ever for you to go through it.” And I would say, you know, we bring these messages and I’m saying, “I just want you to release them just as they are.” Now what God has done with that is He’s given Jennifer the heart to do it and change the message and rebirth the message in, in the perfect way of the written form.

Jennifer:
I look at it as translating it.

John:
I agree with that. That, that’s good. But what I never wanted was her to leave the message. Never leave the message about The Lamb. Never leave the message about The Bride. Never leave the message about Cain and Abel. Never leave the lesson about The Better Blood. I never, ever, ever wanted you to leave those messages to go and rehash over these just to get this out.

My goal has always been to alleviate you from it and release it again. And the gift that Jennifer is, is that it is able to be done because of Jennifer. It wouldn’t be because of me. It’s because of her. She has, she’s taken my vision, which is what she’s done with most everything in the office, she’s taken my vision and then taken it further. Which is exactly what you’re supposed to do. When you take it on as your own, when you take ownership and possession of it and you, you, you, you shepherd it, you love it, you, you, you know, it becomes your own. Then it should evolve and become something better than what was given to you.

I see that as, you know, like I always saw Christ didn’t, didn’t say, “Ok, well you can come up here to what I’ve done.” No, He was trying to sling them forward. “I want you to go beyond what I’ve done here on this earth and, you know, and do amazing miracles. Go, go take it, make it yours.” And so that’s what she’s done. And, and so I’m, I’m real excited about it. I’m real excited. I’m wanting monthly. I would love it. Love it, love it, love it. This one has been a lot more work because of how you were like, you know, jazzing it up. You, you were, you gave the message in a very free way and it was a Body Life message. It wasn’t delivered as a preaching, teaching. So that’s been a hurdle that she’s had to go over and she’s had to jump over.

But, you know, I would love for one, one Kindle booklet every single month coming from the older CD’s of the Month messages. And I would love to see eventually there to be an entire Overcoming book. All these overcoming messages put into one book and then released as a book. That would be awesome. I don’t know, this is, this is power. This is amazing power stuff and gems and, and, and I know that He’s gonna use it.

Overcoming Fear. Good grief! My life was plagued with fear as a child. Growing up I had the fear of death, inordinate fear of death. I was freaked out. And I’ve seen that overcoming power come through me. The life of Christ popped that out and overcame that in my life so that I did overcome fear. Overcoming Self-hatred, overcoming shame, overcoming rejection, overcoming anxiety. Oh, my goodness. How many hysterical and anxious people are out there? This world… Literally you use that as, as a way to get things done. You use anxiety. You’re willing to, to, you know…

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
…wind yourself out so that you can accomplish what your goals are. Like, like, it’s like emotional meth. It’s gross! (Laughs)

So I am just real excited and I really bless Jennifer. I bless you for the original message. I bless the Spirit for giving the vision for it and for doing this work and Amazon for having a platform for Kindle. That’s amazing.

Martha:
I was about to say, I’m excited because it’s .99 and that is fabulous.

Jennifer:
And I might add it’s very easy to go on there and spend .99 and send it to someone as a gift. All you need is their email. Ah-haa!

John:
(Laughs) I have several people right now. Oh, that’s awesome. Yeah! And you could, you know, send it to your cousin, Fred, who’s got a serious problem with self-hatred (laughs). So I love it. I love it and I’m really, really, really grateful for what God’s doing. So thank you. Thank you for listening to this message and thank you for buying these Kindle books and enjoying them and, and allowing the Spirit to use them in your life to launch you into an overcoming lifestyle.

Overcoming Hatred with God’s Love – Episode #628 – Shulamite Podcast

Overcoming hatred takes God’s love. No amount of self-discipline, thought-policing, or tongue-holding can substitute for an influx of that love! Regardless of the issue, the call is the same: receive God’s love for you and pour it out on Him and then others.

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Overcoming hatred takes love, God's love in fact. No amount of self-discipline, thought-policing or tongue-holding can substitute for an influx of that love! Overcoming hatred takes God's love. No amount of self-discipline, thought-policing, or tongue-holding can substitute for an influx of that love! Regardless of the issue, the call is the same: receive God's love for you and pour it out on Him and then others. Shulamite Ministries clean 14:43