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The People Who Would Go to Hell
Episode #686
01/26/2020
With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
This the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #685
There are people in your life who will go to hell without your prayers. Do you see past the pain they inflict to the eternal torment that awaits them?
Martha:
You know, I’ve told these stories in part, in different places, but there were two people in my life, very cruel, and they were there for a lot of years. And after a long time of thinking of my hurts, I suddenly realized that this one was going to hell. There’s no way that she could not go to hell. And I prayed so hard for her not to go to hell. “God, please come in so that she doesn’t go to hell. I don’t care what she’s done to me; wipe it out, forget it. I don’t care. Nothing she’s done to me is, would, would I want her to go to hell.”
So and in her last days, I walked in her room, and she threw open her arms and said, “Martha, I’ve been waiting for you. I’ve made a mess of my life.” And I, I, I was quite stunned right there to know what to do. And the Lord led me how to help her. I, I told her, “Put all your sin on the cross of Jesus Christ.” And the next day I went in and she said, “I did what you told me to do and I’m so much better.” And I think she didn’t go to hell. And it was true of another person.
And if we could understand… And this picture of hell tells you it’s real. And if you want to see how real it is, for me, it changed my life, for this testimony. Because she described in detail how horrible it was. And, and I challenge the listeners to go and hear it because it changed me about prayer. The one crisis is not what is done to me or you or anything. The crisis of any person who is not born again or who has sin… And I said to someone recently, “I’m glad, I hope you don’t die today because you’d go to hell.” And they knew, they knew it was true.
John:
Well, watching the, the testimony it’s not, don’t, don’t go to it thinking Hollywood. It’s not, it’s not done in Hollywood standards. It’s…
Martha:
It’s a human.
John:
It’s very human and it’s a, it’s a testimony and they give some visuals and, you know, they’re a little more, I don’t want to say hokey with it; but it is a little, you know. But it’s, it’s the reality of what she’s talking about. You go into it listening for a, a testimony not a, a wow, sensational presentation. And then you’ll be fine.
Martha:
There’s another one that you haven’t watched and that I watched several months ago. It’s a man named Bill Wiese. W I E S E. And the title is Man Who Went to Hell. And this man is a Biblical scholar and he died and went to hell. He described… He would describe something about it such as the odor was absolutely horrible and then he would relate it to a word of scripture.
John:
Yeah, he backed everything up with Scripture.
Martha:
Did you see it?
John:
No, I didn’t see it but you told me all about it.
Martha:
Okay. He, he… Everything he experienced he got in scripture to prove that God’s fair with us. He tells us. And I’m going through as I’m reading and I’m seeing something like I, I read, “the smell of Sulphur…”
John:
Um hmm.
Martha:
…and I wrote ‘hell’ in my Bible…
John:
Right.
Martha:
… because that’s part of it. He said there was no air and you were always gasping for air. You couldn’t catch your breath because there was no air. And then there was no… There was the fires. And I read the other day, “The worm that does not stop.”
John:
It’s just continually, yeah, yeah.
Martha:
Yeah.
John:
Yeah.
Martha:
And we, we, we want to avoid that. We have a nice little God and we don’t understand that He has, as you say, the right to wrath. But Bill Weise is so Biblical. It… That’s, that’s the one, that’s the most credible. And, of course, he became a pastor or was a pastor. And…
John:
My first introduction to, to any of this was in the nineties from Mary Kay Baxter. And I listened to her testimony and, you know, she’s, she was a country woman. And she’s very country and her accent is so thick and that you could discount her. And I thought, “Oh, God, how interesting that You would use someone that the world would call foolish.” You know, I mean the accent, the Southern accent drops our IQ, for whatever reason. It just, immediately we think that, you know, somebody’s less intelligent because they…
Martha:
Right.
John:
…have a Southern accent. So, but I heard it and I, I listened to her testimony and I read part of her book but I,— The testimony was more impactful, and she literally talked about the, the, the rooms she, that Jesus walked her though. And there was, you know, people were begging Jesus to, to get out of prison. He was down there with her. And she said, “Why don’t you let… They’re begging you. Why don’t you let…” and He, He basically showed her what the truth – they were begging, but the true intent of the heart is the second you walk past them, they start spitting and cursing Him. So you realize, “Okay, yeah. That we’re, we’re not talking about poor, poor pathetic people. We’re talking about evil people.”
Martha:
Evil people, yeah.
I, I looked at one more tonight and this one is really interesting. It’s called From Hell to Heaven, One Man’s Journey to Life-Changing Faith. And it was a young man. And he, he’s… The reason I wanted to include that is because he spoke of our beliefs. He said, “I believed that if I did the best I could, I would just go to heaven.” And, and…
John:
Well, that’s what we’re taught from the pulpit.
Martha:
…that’s what we’re… Um hmm.
John:
I mean the pulpit that’s, you know… Most churches teach that.
Martha:
If they teach it at all.
John:
Right.
Martha:
If you’re born again, you’re safe. You’re… And I, I can’t… I just know that the… I told the story in my book on forgiveness of the young man who almost lost his mind and he had been turned over to the tormentors because he would not forgive his father. And when he forgave, he was healed. That story to me represents… God, God lets us. He goes after us, and these three people that I’m telling you about all came out of hell. They, they cried out for Jesus, “Get me out of here. I can’t live this forever. I cannot do it.” And He, He brought them out.
John:
But they each talk about it being an eternity. That it just felt like it was going on…
Martha:
Right.
John:
…and on…
Martha:
I think…
John:
…and on.
Martha:
…Bill Weise was there twenty-three minutes in hell.
John:
But it felt like forever.
Martha:
I’m sure. Now Mary Kay Baxter is in YouTube. I didn’t go to her but she is there and she’s been sharing that testimony for a lot of years and it’s something we avoid if we can.
John:
Sure.
Martha:
And we can’t.
John:
Right.
Martha:
That’s the point that I want to make today…
John:
Right.
Martha:
… is that we can’t avoid it. It is reality and, and Bill Weise said, “God didn’t make hell for Believers. God made hell for Satan and his demons.” But if we go on that side of, of the spiritual realm, we are in that, we are in that realm by choice.
John:
The thing that’s frightening is, you know, because I can justify and rationalize and say, “Well, I’m not that bad.”
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
But if I look at it towards forgiveness…
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
… and anyone I don’t forgive, and then I look into my life and I say, “Who have I not forgiven”? You know, I can pull someone, you know, out of a hat, you know what, pull the rabbit out of your hat, I can pull someone that, that my forgiveness is not…
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
…complete, total. And we all have people that are offending us regularly…
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
…and it’s not just passing it off or just sluffing it off or…
Martha:
Or saying, “Is that… Okay, it’s okay.
John:
…it’s ok or whatever.
Martha:
That’s not forgiveness.
John:
It’s actual, deal-with forgiveness.
Martha:
Yeah. I’ve had a recent experience of that very, very painful situation and I’ve had to work so hard to forgive, to release, to bless. But I got, when I worked it through, I was free. And now I have the heart for that person, to pray they won’t go to hell. The whole… The, the experience I had many years ago and all of these current things… And several people have told me, “Martha, I was hung over hell for a year.” And it’s such… To see this is to produce the fear of the Lord in us. And we can deal with that and then we know that that’s the real crisis.
The People Who Would Go to Hell – Episode #686 – Shulamite Podcast
There are people in your life who will go to hell without your prayers. Can you see past the pain they inflict on you to the eternal torment that awaits them? The testimonies of people who have seen hell will impart the fear of God to those with ears to hear.
When God hits our finite minds with His eternal truths (that is to say with Himself), explosions go off… (hopefully nothing remains the same…)
Thank you for this conversation… This week has been intense!! Where words like “God’s mysterious plan is Jesus” and “sin and forgiveness are eternal choices that crisscross humanity and perforated time” have been going off in my mind. It’s such a huge epiphany that I can’t even grasp the size of it…
Forgiveness is here!