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Experiencing the Great Exchange
Episode #729
11/22/2020
With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
This the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #728
The exchanged life of “not I but Christ” is not as much about revelation as it is about impartation.
John:
Well, I was, I went through and I was editing something. I wanted…Because, because not everybody that, that will pick up the book will know who you are so I had to give a little bio background of who you were; just couple of sentences, just, you know, our relationship and, and what was going on and, and when I did that all of a sudden I, I, it was just, immediately I saw, “Oh, my gosh, I have to talk about this little interaction that you had with Major Ian Thomas” about the mystery.
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
And, and so I, I talked about it. You know, and if you’ve heard the messages, if you’ve heard the CD’s you may have heard her, her describe this little dialogue she had with Major Ian Thomas. But we realize in that dialogue that there was an impartation. And I don’t know if it happened when you were talking to him, if it happened when you were listening to the messages. I don’t know where it happened but there was an impartation…
Martha:
Yes, it was.
John
…of, of Christ’s life and we have realized that the, the exchanged life is not about revelation as much as it is about impartation. You have to have the revelation of it, yes…
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
…absolutely. But you get the life through impartation. He gives you His life through another.
Martha:
Um hmm.
Well, he, he spoke on it and in my church…
John:
Um hmm.
Martha:
…and I knew that he was trying to say something so wonderful that I wanted it desperately but I couldn’t understand.
John:
Sure.
John:
I couldn’t understand what he was saying. So I bought a tape and I listened to it so many times about the exchanged life that I could, I could often speak it along with him. I was so hungry for that mystery.
John:
Right.
Martha:
And then I saw it. I got it. I got it from hearing him.
John:
Um hmm. Um hmm.
Martha:
His…That life came right on. That mystery was imparted to me.
John:
Right.
Martha:
And so when I met him I said, “I got it!”
John:
Right, right, right.
Martha:
And he said,
John;
You got him.
Martha:
“You got Him.” I went, “Yeah I got it. I got Him. I see it.”
And so that’s precious to me that little encounter.
John:
Oh, it was…I love that whole, whole talk that you had with him and, and, and then we realized that you know, you’ve, you’ve imparted it to me and, and I talk, in this book I’ve got a whole section of, of a message that Art Katz did that it was the same thing. He, he gave a message and out of that message was an impartation of life. And so there’s life imparting life imparting life.
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
It’s the body, it’s how the body works.
Martha:
Exactly. How it’s supposed to work. If you…Something is life given to you when you speak it…
John:
Um hmm.
Martha:
…life imparts to another. It’s not something I make happen.
John:
Body life an organic.
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
That’s how it always is.
Martha:
And it’s so wonderful.
John:
Yeah.
Martha:
So that life…And Sparks says you must always be giving Life from your life from His life.
John:
From His life. Exactly.
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
Yeah. It’s wonderful.
Martha:
So we are just more than excited and so much is, so much support from the Lord is coming.
So, John, we’ve got two celebrations. I don’t know how we’re going to make a celebration big enough for what this means to us.
John:
Right?!
Martha:
It’s just so wonderful.
John:
Um hmm.
Martha:
Your culmination of many years of living, dying.
John:
Yeah.
Martha:
Enduring…
John:
Um hmm.
Martha:
…and waiting. Those four words.
Ok. Let me read a small excerpt from this book The Great Exchange.
“My life found in the life of the Son. Christ in me is a huge paradox.”
And that’s a good, that’s a good statement statement.
John:
Um hmm.
Martha:
“Jesus did not unplug me when He came to be me. I am not somehow expunged and it’s just Jesus wearing my face. (John laughs) His life in me is the mystery of the gospel and my hope of glory but it does not override another amazing gift of the Father-free will. Free will is choice and God secured that right for me. Why, because while a slave which I once was is conscripted a son which I now am is made willing.”
And that’s what Art imparted to you is the sonship.
John:
Sonship.
Martha:
The indwelling sonship.
John:
Yeah.
Martha:
Wonderful!
“Even with Christ’s life as my life I still have free will. I made a choice: all the way Jesus or me. That’s the choice.”
And then you’re, you’re tying it to scripture is brilliant.
“To redeem those under the law so that we may receive adoption as sons and because you’re a sons God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts crying Abba, Father. The Spirit in our heart. An indwelling Spirit. So you’re no longer a slave but a son but if a son then ah heir through God.”
That’s Galatian 4 and 5.
And here again you write:
“There are moments in time when God reveals mysteries deep and unknown. He opens up His heart for the purpose of showing things about Himself. He says, “Call to me and I will answer you and show you great and mighty things which you do not know.” that’s Jeremiah 33:3
We’ve pray that prayer a lot.
John:
Absolutely
“Let me share with you just such a heart opening.”
Then he goes on to tell a personal story, a little tragedy, that was a great victory. And I’ll leave it on the page under A Mystery Revealed.
John:
Oh, wow. That’s toward the end isn’t it?
Martha:
Yes, it is.
John has another page that is what I asked Major Ian Thomas and I must say that, John, your answer was bigger and better than Major Ian Thomas although he was absolutely correct.
“How Do I let Christ Live My life?”
And that’s what…The second time he came to our church I went to him and said, “How do I live it?
John:
Um hmm.
Martha:
He said, “Moment by moment.”
And John writes: “Here is the holy grail of all questions, how do I let Christ live my life? Though it should be lived out practically in every aspect there’s no one, two, three methodology to walking this out. There’s no fixed set of rules to follow into union with Christ. However, I do have some tips I’ve gleaned along the way. First not I but Christ is a mystery. It’s one of the most mysterious things in the universe. I believe the word of God is filled from cover to cover about this great mystery. So if it is a mystery, then it must be revealed by the Holy Spirit. I have to receive from God the revelation not I but Christ. Wisdom Himself must give to each of us. We ask, knock, beg.”
That’s what I did.
John:
Um hmm.
Martha:
I just kept saying, “I don’t know what this man is saying and I know it’s absolutely phenomenal whatever it is and I want it.”
“Wisdom Himself has to come. We beg for it and then we wait for it to be given.”
And then it goes on to “It’s received by faith.”
So the riches of the unveiling are in this book.
And the interesting thing is when you get the revelation you’re immediately made a steward of it for others.
John:
That’s what happened to me.
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
I literally got it, got the revelation, got Him and, and, and then immediately He started reproducing Himself in me that it could come out of me.
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
And…
Martha:
It’s the mystery He longs to give us because He has saved it for this era…
John:
Wow.
Martha:
…this generation, this time; from the time of the crucifixion until now it has been the time for this mystery, the riches of the glory of this mystery which we don’t even understand what that means.
John:
We have the most enviable position throughout the ages.
Martha:
Yes, exactly!
John:
We literally have His life living in you as you.
Martha:
Right, right!
John:
That, that is huge!
Martha:
I wasn’t put back there in Egypt at Sinai, thank God.
John:
No, thank God.
Martha:
This, this era! So it is the responsibility of us not that we’re elite or special or anything. This is everyone. The revelation of Christ is for every born again Believer. But you’re usually not born again knowing this right off.
John:
Yeah, um hmm.
Martha:
He is indwelling. And that He is to live the life in your body.
So we are, we’re excited that this would be an impartation not just a book.
John:
Right, absolutely. If, if this is just a revelation, a knowledge of…
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
…it’s, it’s fine…
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
…but it’s really kind of useless into what it’s supposed to do.
Martha:
Right. It’s supposed to be earth shaking.
John:
Absolutely. This is supposed to be the impartation, be an impartation…
Martha:
Um hmm.
John:
…of His life.
Martha:
I’m thinking of what Jesus said to Peter when he said, “Thou art the Christ the Son of the Living God.” And Jesus said to Peter, “This was not revealed to you by flesh and blood but by My Father who is in heaven.” And that’s what it means to have a revelation. It comes…You see it from God’s giving it to you, opening your eyes to see the mystery that He wants to share with all of us.
Experiencing the Great Exchange – Episode #729 – Shulamite Podcast
In this podcast we discuss John’s upcoming book The Great Exchange. The exchanged life of Christ in me, the hope of glory is not about revelation as much as it is about impartation.
