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From Heaven to Earth
With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow
Special Guest: Joan Wentzel and Dave Wentzel
This the continuation of a series of podcasts started in Episode #693
God tells us that in Christ Jesus, we are seated in the heavenly places. Do you believe that? Do you live a life that flows from heaven to earth, or not?
I can’t keep up with all He’s poured out. It is a huge outflowing from heaven, from Jesus. And the ‘yes’ receives it and the ‘no’ doesn’t even know it exists. The ‘yes’ is in the middle of it even not knowing what’s going on. Another has the rule. Another has the story. Another has the agenda and you’re taken with Him by that ‘yes’ to places that you didn’t plan to go – wonderful and terrible. And but it’s an adventure and it creates the correct situation for you to become.
What did you say the other day, Joan? We’re human becomings?
Yes. We’re not in reality humans ‘beings’ because we’re not static. We don’t stay still. We are ever becoming and we are ever becoming what God has for us or we’re ever… It’s entropy. We’re ever… We’re pulled down and I think the real crisis in most of our lives if we’re honest, get down to it, is we see things in the word, we see we’re seated in the heavenlies, we know we’re in union with Christ but the entropy pulls us back to the earth and we get stuck down here instead of just being willing to say, ”Yes, I, I’m, I’m, I am in the heavenlies. I, I will live from there. I will not…” I’ve lived so, oh, all my life earth to heaven, begging Him to do what He’s already, already given. He’s already said He would do. But my unbelief keeps that, that reality from being true in me simply because I, I refuse to align myself with His thoughts. I go to refuse. Refusal is the big word God has spoken to me. It’s not a “Oh, I don’t,” it’s I refuse to align my thoughts with His which He says,
“We are seated in the heavenlies.”
Our real life is to be lived heaven to earth, not earth to heaven. And the entropy I think for every believer is being pulled to the earth.
Well, we’re a people, talk about adventure, we’re a people with, at war with the devil. And we’re in a struggle with ourselves and who, who will win. So we are… You’re in the adventure one way or another because life is a mystery. It’s temptation now to take the mystery out and you can’t. You can’t take the mystery out. Who, who are you? It’s a mystery to you. It might be visible to others but it likely isn’t visible to you. That’s the work of the body. The body… The stones together support other stones and support… He says… The scripture says, “Encourage one another daily.”
And you do that for me. All of you do that for me and others outside of this. And that encouragement is critical. But so, see we’re not in this alone even with, even in the body of Christ, we’re not alone, because we are to function and encourage each other daily because the battle is severe.
This is in regard to many times we spend our lives seeking and wanting God; as we’ve been taking about the wanting seems to be the, the church’s one focus, whether it’s worship music and messages of wanting. Getting people to come down an aisle who want Him, who want Jesus, but not really able to follow through with, “What do I do now?” And so there’s that always a constant recycling of the wanting.
And so one of the things Murray, Waiting on God, is speaking of: “Do not limit God in this by your thoughts of what may be expected. Do fix your eyes upon this one truth: in His very nature God as the only giver of life (as mentioned before) cannot do otherwise than every moment work in His child. Do not look only at the one side. (And this is what, you know, I spent most of my life…) If I wait continually, God will work continually. (Okay, my side.)
“Now look at the other side. Place God first and say, ‘God works continually every moment. I may wait on Him continually.’ Take time until the vision of your God working continually without one moment’s intermission fills your being. Your waiting continually will then come with itself full of trust and joy of the holy habit of the soul will be on Thee do I wait all the day. The Holy Spirit will keep you ever waiting.”
You know, I’m going to give away the final blow of this book on the Bride and it’s this verse:
“Who have I in heaven but Thee. And there’s none upon earth I desire except Thee.”
That’s where, that’s the Bride. That’s a bridal statement. And that’s where He’s going to take us. And it’s going to be exciting, bewildering, overwhelming, mysterious, and for the most part blind. Abraham went out not knowing where he was going. But it was a gorgeous place. We won’t… We will be Abrahams that say ‘yes’ and go out not knowing where we’re going or we’ll lose the whole thing – all the beauty, glory, and the throne of Jesus Christ.
Well this… We came to this verse and so I’ll read it.
2 Timothy 1:7 from the Amplified.
For God did not give us a spirit of timidity (of cowardice, of craven and cringing and fawning fear), but [He has given us a spirit] of power and of love and of calm and well-balanced mind and discipline and self-control.
My word! This is what He has given to us and when we say ‘yes’ to this, we’ll get it. Yes!
Yes, yes, yes!
Wow. There’s the adventure right there. Sometimes I will say, “It will be fascinating to know what the Lord thinks about this. It’d be fascinating to know what He’s gonna do.”
One thing Martha said yesterday that I think is so significant about our ‘yes’ is she said, “Bowing is the posture of surrender and yes.” And it is simple but I won’t, I would not say it’s easy because it’s a continuous ‘yes’ which means we fight against ourselves in that. There’s only one person to fight when I have a ‘no’ and it’s me. I am the only fly in the ointment.
From Heaven to Earth – Episode #705 – Shulamite Podcast
God tells us that in Christ Jesus, we are seated in the heavenly places. Do you believe that? Do you live a life that flows from heaven to earth, or do you live from earth to heaven, begging God to do what He’s already done?
Wow! The power of the ‘yes’ to propel us into an adventure “that creates the correct situation for you to become.” “Wonderful & terrible” for sure. The Mystery makes the adventure, & us, GENUINE. God is the Only Original Source. Only heaven can actually satisfy earth; He’s Maker of heaven & earth. The One Who is the Mystery holds the adventure. Yes! I will live in Your Mystery marked out for me, even when I’m not aware of what’s being accomplished by Your Spirit…which is most of the time. Life is full of interactions, & the Lord is in them. He coordinates people & places & problems, where we find ourselves in the middle of a muddle, a stage set for adventure. When faced with unexplainable reactions, it can be God saying there’s an underlying work of the Spirit stirring…be ready for a genuine adventure. Yes, to living in that flow of heaven to earth! “The One sent from heaven has a race of heavenly people just like Him…but now let us carry the likeness of the Man of heaven.” “as is the Man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven (heavenly minded).”
(1 Cor.15:48 AMPC &TPT)
Yes and amen to every word!