with Martha Kilpatrick and John Enslow
(M) But in first John, and I won’t go into it; I’d like to do some study about it and go into it as a “Tape of the Month”. But he says in chapter two of first John, eighteen, “Children, it is the last hour”, and it truly is now; it has to be the last hour. “And as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so many antichrist’s have come, therefore we know it is the last hour.” And this is one criterion; he gives you many criterions, to understand who is not of God, and who is. “They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they were all not of us.” And we’ve had that happen.
(M) We’ve had people come, who left, because they really were not… There was never a joining of hearts, there was never a joining of spirits. So I’m ready for you to talk now. (Martha laughs) That’s just one of the, the issues that he brings up. You can tell that these people are not of God, because they don’t remain in fellowship with you. And some of the most shocking people this has been true of in our lives. And it doesn’t make me confident that I know. It makes me tremble before God and say please, please, examine me in the Light and see if there be any wicked way in me. It is utterly frightening to think that you can be deceived and deceive yourself. It’s one thing to be a liar, but it’s another to believe your lies. But I just wanted to bring this out John, that this is the delusion that’s prevalent in so much that’s going on now. In whole churches, in whole congregations, in whole movements, it’s presenting a god that is not the real one. As my friend said many years ago, ‘someone comes to me who says he is god, and I have learned he is not’. Ok, its interesting John, that you can have a confession of God that is a lie; because if it’s mere words with no sincerity, no reality of choice or surrender behind it, then it is a denial of God. And I think that’s what in Malachi, they fully believe they were making offerings; they were giving substantially to God. They believed He was pleased with them, and none of it was true. It was all a lie, because it was strictly surface, external and words. And their motions had no heart reality. And so He exposed it through the prophet Malachi. And in verse twenty of first John two, it says, “You have been anointed by the Holy One, and you have all knowledge.” Now, the anointing of the Holy Spirit in Christ, if we live in that anointing, then we will know, and this most astounding thing, we will have all knowledge. About every situation you can have knowledge, because you have the anointing, if you’re listening to the Holy Spirit, ever listening, ever waiting. So that’s the confidence. The confidence I have is not that I will know the truth in the coming days of enormous delusions. Signs and wonders are going to come Jesus said. But the dependence is going to be on the Holy Spirit because you will… All the knowledge you need is in Him, and He is in you. So, what do you think about the fact that God has given you this diagnosis?
(J) Its a tremendous responsibility. And I’m, I’m asking for an increase of the knowledge of it, and the knowledge of Him, and the anointing to shatter the yoke, the false yoke. And I want to be…I mean I really want to be in that place of fellowshipping with Him, so that I’m not disturbed and taken off by the false voice. And that seems to be what the onslaught of this week upon me was, a whole mess of voices that were not God, that were used of God.
(M) Ahhhh, to show you they were not of God.
(J) To show me they weren’t of God, and to show me He had a point. He can use whatever He wants to use, and He had all these voices coming in at me and I said… I had to, you know, experience it, feel it, and deal with it, with Him. And it was to give me deeper understanding and revelation, and to see further in my heart. It was a light; the darkness was a light in my heart. And it was trying…it was tempting me to question and to , you know, lose my joy, and really lose this revelation. And I had to say no.
(M) Well it’s helped me understand that which has been so puzzling to me for years, because the Lord has sent me directly to people in delusion. That is, that is where I’m sent. That’s who I’m called to; to help people come to reality, and some have, and some haven’t… yet.
(J) You remember we had a, a lady, precious lady, a friend of our ministry that she was sick? And you remember my word was that the God of the universe and every answer to every question dwells within me. It seems very audacious to say that statement. You have every answer in you, and I can honestly say, yes I have the answer to every question and every quandary in me, because Christ is in me, and He’s the answer to everything. So I, though I may not be connected, though I may not know the application of the answer, it is in me. And uhmm, and that just goes with your scripture. And that, you know, that’s just like saying I have all knowledge. I do. I can say I have a revelation that I do have, as John said, all knowledge. I have the answer to every question.
(M) And that lady was healed.
(J) The Father did it. And it was… I mean you know, I didn’t even apply it. I, that’s the… that was my complete uhmm…
(M) Revelation at that moment.
(J) That was my complete input into that, that situation. I didn’t…wasn’t praying, though I was praying. But I wasn’t the one that prayed, I wasn’t the one that laid hands on, I wasn’t the one…. That wasn’t what my part was. My part was, I have within me… And I was made rich by it, and she was healed, so…
(M) Here’s how this reads in the Amplified. “But you have been anointed by, you hold a sacred appointment from, you have been given an unction from the Holy One, and you all know the Truth”, capital ‘T,’ a Person, “or you know all things.” “I write to you not because you’re ignorant and do not perceive and know the Truth, capital ‘T’, but because you do perceive and know it, and know positively that nothing false, no deception, no lie is of the Truth.” Capital ‘T’, the Truth is a Person. “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.”
(J) And if you separate the truth from the Truth…
(J) The lower case ‘t’ to the capital ‘T’, then you don’t have Truth, you have fact.
(M) And that’s exactly what Satan tried to do to Eve and to Jesus. He brought the Truth as a fact; Eve bought it, Jesus did not. Jesus said the Truth is a Person. Truth is the Voice of God. Truth is ah, is God Himself, He answered with God Himself.
(J) I had a gentleman who brought me the lower case truth, and didn’t represent a capital ‘T’ Truth in it, and so it was abusive, it was horrible. But uhmm… Facts mean nothing, in the Light. It’s the Truth, the capital ‘T’ Truth, and the Person, and His personality, and His dealings, and His… And that doesn’t mean that He goes against His Word.
(J) It doesn’t have anything to do with that. But you have to represent the Truth when you’re bringing the Truth, or you’re not in Truth.
(M) Right. And you mentioned the responsibility of this. The responsibility I see is that wherever this delusion appears, is that we have a responsibility to pray. And to… Paul was given the assignment in Acts 26, he tells about the road to Damascus when Christ appeared to him. He said, “I’m sending you to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light, from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.” That’s verse 17 and 18 in Acts. And that’s the ah… it’s an alert that we are experiencing; it’s not just an abuse we’re experiencing. It’s an alert. This one is in delusion. Or this group is not in Reality, and it’s like there’s not any doubt in these issues that we’re looking at. There is such blatant ‘in-writing’ issues, that there’s really no guesswork here.
(J) That ultimately what this is, is a warning and an alert to the hour that we’re in; that it is increasing, and that the Father of Light is separating darkness. And that there is a polarization in this nation and this world that is really rather shocking. He is polarizing, and He is separating like I’ve never seen. I saw Him do it in visions. I’ve seen literally polarizations in our nation, and people…. There would be pockets of light and pockets of darkness; and that they would be more and more being separate, and separated. And I just feel like in the church and our world, and politics and everything, I think that there is a separation.
(M) The two sides are becoming clearly two opposite poles, light and dark, the domain of Satan and the Kingdom of God.
(J) Well you’ve been on this, that you’re either for Me or against Me. And it’s not a, an in-between thing. And for a number of years there’s been a lot of wishy-washy, though the truth of the situation is, it has always been, and will always be, you are for Me or you are against Me. But there has been a gray kind of buffering around the ‘against Me’, so that it didn’t seem so violent. But I think that the days to come, and even days that we’re living in, that the violence of the opposition of the Truth, capital ‘T’ Personhood of Christ, is going to be just so evident. It’s huge. And it’s going to be shocking. Because where before, there was tolerance, I believe there’s not going to be tolerance anymore. I think it’s going to be violent. And it says, ‘the violent will take it by force’. But I think that that may mean something different than being militant. I don’t think that that’s particularly what this is, the application of that is. But there is going to be a militant response to the Truth, capital ‘T’, the Person of Jesus Christ, and we’re going to see it.
(M) That is so, it can be so very subtle, that He Himself, Christ, is removed, and His Name is used, instead of His Presence.
(J) There’s a whole religious move….
(M) And it means this… someone made the statement recently, “That person is one who would turn you in to be killed and think he was doing God service.” That’s the kind of day we’re facing, John. We have to, we have to know corporately who we are, and we have to know that we are walking in the Light, and that we are committed to the capital ‘T’, Truth.