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Waiting for the Anointing of the Holy Spirit – Episode #678

November 30, 2019

Waiting for the Anointing of the Holy Spirit
Episode #678
12/01/2019

With Martha Kilpatrick and hosted by John Enslow

It is a discipline to wait for the anointing of the Holy Spirit before speaking or writing or acting. The temptation is to reason it out intellectually.

Martha:
This morning early I woke up and started reading a post from John. And it was absolutely brilliant on a subject that we had not discussed. And he was talking about the kundalini spirit and he was writing about it. It was so clear and so simple because it’s not easy to describe it. It’s simply signs and wonders from the devil that appear to be from God.

And I’ll go back and tell a story. Some, maybe even twenty-five or thirty years ago, the Lord told me to go to Orlando, FL by myself on an airline and go to a conference, a charismatic conference that was there at that time. Really didn’t know why, I just got on the plane and went.

And John arranged for a hotel and transportation, so forth. So I went and I watched and listened for about three days. And I went away from there knowing I would wipe the dust off my feet, that I would not be open to that kind of thing.

And it would be hard to describe to you why, except that it was bizarre. There was no mention of repentance. There was no mention of obedience. There was… I don’t know that there was even the name of Jesus mentioned. It was all about these bizarre experiences, walking with angels. Which can happen. That’s… It’s just… It was just all of it was on the side of the really bizarre and it wasn’t believable.

Later I, somehow, learned about Andrew Strom from New Zealand or, yeah, New Zealand, who’d experienced the same thing. And he, he did really renounced that charismatic movement because of the absence of the realities of the gospel like repentance, obedience, purity—all the things that, that we are called to.

He began to write about it quite boldly and gave the reasons why he left. And then he began to write about something called the kundalini spirit which he traced and discovered and has written about now for some years. I think he’s got several books about it.

And this morning I opened to John’s post to Get Along with God, and this article is called “The Kundalini Spirit Rather Than the Holy Spirit.” And one of… Dear friends of ours asked John to explain this. And he wrote “Generically it refers to any temptation to seek after gods, false teachers, spiritual distractions. It’s the manifestation of signs without Christ.”

And it’s really manifestation of, of the enemy and deception.

John:
All appearing real.

Martha:
Right. And all about experiences, elevating experiences above the tenants of the Gospel.

John:
We’re so prone to that and we’re so susceptible to that. It’s one of the major susceptibilities we have is that we want to experience God and so sometimes we’re willing to suck down the…

Martha:
The fake!

John:
…the fake.

Martha:
And what you write here is, “The ploy of Satan is so crafty, because it is an assault on our very desire to experience the spiritual. God gives us these desires and yearnings of the heart.”

And I want everybody to experience God. But we are called… You know what? In John 17 we are called to know Him. To know Him involves experiencing Him but it’s a much bigger word. If you define… If you confine being with God to experiences, that’s when you’re really ripe to be deceived. Instead in every situation to know Him. What does this tell you about God? What do I know about Him in these things I’m going through?

So th, th… What you wrote was just brilliant, John, because it was

John:
Thank you!

Martha:
simple.

John:
Um hmm, um hmm.

Martha:
It was direct and it was… You made a clear explanation and then you made a clear explanation of why, why, what it really is.

John:
Well, Julia wrote me this morning and she said that she was referencing this, this post and she was telling me that she appreciated it and I basically said that to boil it really down to the core it’s super spirituality without the Spirit. That’s what the kundalini spirit is. It’s, it’s, you know…

Martha:
It’s the wrong spirit.

John:
It’s the wrong spirit. It’s absolutely the wrong spirit. But it is, it’s without the Spirit, capital S Spirit. And so that, that’s why you’re, you’re so susceptible because you do want the super spiritual manifestations, you know? But if we ever are willing to compromise and, and not keep it in the, in the realm of the Holy Spirit then we’re in big trouble. The Holy Spirit can do amazing things, can do major miracles and, and wonders, and, and all kinds of stuff.

Martha:
And experiences.

John:
And experiences.

Martha:
It’s part of it, but it is not experiences we are to seek.

John:
Right.

Martha:
It’s the Lord’s will.

John:
Right.

Martha:
It’s the presence of the Holy Spirit and His will, and you made it so clear.

So it made me say, “John, this morning I would like to interview you about your writing.”

John:
Yeah, yeah that’s what she said (both laughing).

Martha:
Gotcha!

So because you didn’t began with any thought of ever being a published writer.

John:
No, never.

Martha:
And you have two, two books. One of them is large, The Sovereign Touch. The other one is Where Are You, God? which is your biography of your child, or your childhood with God.

John:
Um hmm, um hmm.

Martha:
And those are, you know, going to be put in print…

John:
Yeah.

Martha:
…hopefully.

John:
Real soon hopefully.

Martha:
Soon.

John:
And then the magnanimous, is that the right word?

Martha:
Um hmm.

John:
…epic, as Jennifer calls it, is the Exchanged Life, The Great Exchange. And that’s about Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Martha:
And that’s twenty-two or twenty-three years of experience and learning.

John:
That’s right.

Martha:
And writing often.

So, but your writing comes from your relationship with the Lord. That is, that’s very clear. I will sometimes see you on the porch with the ocean or whatever. You’re on the porch and you’re silent, you’re staring. You have your computer in front of you. What— Tell me what’s going on then.

John:
Well, and this isn’t the way I’ve always been. The older I get, I guess the wiser I’m becoming because of the fact that I, I don’t go immediately to, to speak and to say. That’s not my, my goal is to let the Lord hear me. I want to hear Him. And so I literally, you know, like if somebody says, “Hey, can we pray?” And really you taught me this, too, it’s from you, that you listen!

You remember the interview with Sid Roth you, you, you know, you were like… He asked you, “What do you do at two o’clock in the morning when you’re awake?” And, and I’m like looking at you and going, “You listen. You listen.” And I don’t know what, I don’t remember what…

Martha:
Well, I, I didn’t know what to answer and I knew he was going to do that to me. So I asked God to help me. So I said, “I just say, ‘Where are you going Jesus? I’m going with You.’” Well, that was a fine answer but it was purely spontaneous (laughing).

John:
Yeah, and he, you know, I mean, he’s a, he’s a wily one, you know? You never know where he’s gonna go.

Martha:
He’s a force!

John:
He is a force!

So… But… The… I go and listen and I, I go to hear. And so I’ll, I’ll sit with you in prayer and I may not say a thing. I’m not looking. But then when I do say something, that it’s from Him, it’s amazing! And it’s succinct.

Martha:
Absolutely!

John:
It’s succinct.

Martha:
It is always…

John:
Like the other day I had that prayer for you. It was, it was totally succinct. It had, it had examples and history and everything. I literally gave you a package. I said, “Here you go. This is yours. You’re special.”  But I did that through hearing. So…

Martha:
So you are hearing first before you write, before you, before you speak?

John:
Yeah, I’m, I, you know… And, and someone asked me yesterday, they said, you know, “What are you writing and, you know, what’s, what’s happening?” And I, I told them and I said, “You know, The Great Exchange is absolutely amazing.” And that you read it at the beach and you, you wept through it. And I told her that and I said, “This book is just absolutely phenomenal.” She said, “You know something? I know what that means for you.” She said, “I know that you are not taking credit. You’re not being arrogant with this. You’re not puffing up your ego. You’re literally just because I know you I know you’re referencing that this is something that you received and you got and so you’re not crediting yourself for it at all.”

And that’s the truth because, you know, I heard that stuff. It’s not like I have, you know, a, a huge wealth of education and knowledge and, and, but I do have a lot of practical experience and earthly examples and God’s amazing, dramatic demonstrations to me so that I get the object lesson well.

So…

Martha:
So you begin by not thinking. You began by waiting for Him. And this morning I read from Austin-Sparks, his November 7 Windows. The… He’s talking about the anointing. Oh, the anointing! I love the charismatic world but I, I’m really not in that. But the anointing is the thing. We want to get the anointing.

John:
Absolutely. The glory and the anointing!

Martha:
And that’s right. It’s absolutely right.

But here’s what Sparks says and I love it. First, he quotes 1 John 2:27 NIV:

The anointing you received from Him remains in you. His anointing teaches you about all things. That anointing is real, not counterfeit – just as it was taught you, remain in Him.

So all that, that we have to say needs to come from the Holy Spirit. All that we, all that we see up here must be the Holy Spirit. And Austin-Sparks said. “The greatest need of the church in his day and this day especially is the gift of discerning of spirits.”

John:
Um, um, yeah.

Martha:

But he says, “What is the meaning of the anointing of the Holy Spirit? It is nothing less and nothing more than the Holy Spirit taking His place as absolute Lord. The anointing carries with it the absolute Lordship of the Holy Spirit. That means all other lordships have been deposed and set aside; our life, our mind, our will, our desires, the lordship of others. Every interest, every influence is regarded as having given place to the undivided, unreserved lordship of the Holy Spirit.

And what you are doing out there you’re not just listening, you’re bowing. Am I right?

John:
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah!

Martha:
The essentialness of, you can’t hear unless you bow. You cut… You bow and then you hear.

John:
That’s right.

Martha:

You surrender and then you know. So your, your method is somehow what the Holy Spirit has developed in you and that’s what I’m going to ask you to share. And that’s, that’s it. I know that you are surrendering. Waiting is above all things surrender.

“So the anointing takes everything out of our hands,” says Sparks. “The anointing takes charge. The anointing is the very purpose of God. The anointing takes complete control of everything and all from that moment is the hands of the Holy Spirit.”

“If we want to learn Christ we have to go exactly the same way Christ did. Here’s, this is called The Way of Christ. “The Son can do nothing out from Himself.”

John:
Absolutely!

Martha:
(Sparks) You see, that is the negative side of the anointing. Perhaps it’s a little different than the idea of anointing from what we have said, “Oh, to be anointed of the Holy Spirit! What wonders will follow; how wonderful that life will be!”

 “The first and the abiding thing about the anointing is that we are imprisoned to the Lordship of the Spirit of God, so there can be nothing if He does not do it.

John:
There you go. That’s it!

Martha:
We’ve walked with the Lord… I’ve walked with the Lord about fifty years and I know I don’t acquire anything that I can use. It’s never an acquisition. It’s always a revelation. That’s… I may have known it or heard it in the past but if it’s the anointing it comes up in resurrection life and it’s fresh now, now, now!

John:
Right.

Martha:
And it’s… And this morning, it’s so incredible because you write about the kundalini, I was brooding on it, and I read your post, and then I go and look and Sparks speaks of the unction of the Holy Spirit, that it must be genuine from Him.

So, but you got there through a long…

John:
Long.

Martha:
…long walk, didn’t you, John?

John:
Yeah. It was a long, long, long process of going through that and, and a lot of banging my head and coming up with knots on my forehead. Because, you know, that, this isn’t natural for me, you know? Natural for me is to talk. Natural for me is to, you know, to speak. And the, to go and listen and to bow, yeah, I’m literally bowing. Yeah.

Martha:
Bowing and waiting!

Waiting for the Anointing of the Holy Spirit – Episode #678 – Shulamite Podcast

It is a true discipline to wait for the anointing of the Holy Spirit before speaking or writing or acting. The temptation is to reason it out intellectually or with “common sense.” And most of us do that! Which is why so little of Christendom reflects Christ.

4 comments

  1. Celia says:

    Thank you! This message is so convicting to me in asking the Lord before I speak or write something. I love the idea that waiting is surrender. The Lord is convicting me that I do operate too much from the intellectual side and need to wait on Him for timing and content (or lack thereof). It reminds me of someone who might make tons of decisions without their spouse’s input, or ever even thinking to ask them. We can see how dysfunctional and hurtful that is in the natural, but not so often in the spiritual realm, even among believers. It is not just wise (imperative) to ask the Lord and wait for Him to answer, it is loving and relational. Lord teach us to ask, fellowship, and relate with you, as we wait to hear your heart and forgive us of our pride and impatience in running ahead of you, and doing what is right in our own eyes.

  2. Sandy says:

    It was around 12 years ago that “I” found you, Martha!❤ In the archives of Sid Roth’s website!! How amazing is that!!?
    In Sept. 2010, I had it in my heart to go to a christian conference in the US. Which also turned out to be bizarre… So I left shaking the dust off my feet. What I couldn’t shake though, was the thought that I had gone to the wrong conference!!
    But you two talked about the listening waiting heart, that bows/surrenders… It depends. Obeys. That is love. Loving Him…
    And when He speaks, His voice turns everything else into noise. Meaningless noise crumbling away in the distance. Discernment is a gift worth waiting for!
    And just one more thing! That self portrait totally blew my mind, John! Blew! My! Mind! Pure inspiration… Is it called “The Great Exchange”??!!
    Oh my! I just wrote a letter in the comment section!!
    Thank you for this podcast!! Love you all!!

    1. You can write a letter anytime in the comments. You are family 😘! That is going to be the cover image I use for the book. Thank you for noticing it and knowing what it was. I painted that almost 2 years ago and when I finished, I said, “That has got to be the cover!”

      Love it that you had a similar experience. Following the Lord is always an adventure into the unknown. His Life is exciting.

      Again love you BIG~!
      John

      1. Sandy says:

        Thank you so much, John!

        And that amazing painting will simply be the perfect cover!! I loved it.

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